Potential Spoilers Below
The
Wheel of Time:
"Life is a dream from
which we all must wake before we can dream again"
—Amys
Tel'aran'rhiod (tel-AYE-rahn-rhee-ODD; Old Tongue:
The Unseen World), also known as the World of Dreams and the Wolf Dream,
is a parallel world where all the possibilities of the Wheel of Time
connect, and it is linked to all the myriad such worlds that exist within the
Wheel. It is both of those worlds and apart from them, and is occasionally
entered for a few seconds at a time by ordinary people dreaming, although there
is great risk to those who do so as imagination becomes reality in the Unseen
World and what happens there happens in the normal world as well. There are
people
called Dreamwalkers who
have the ability to enter Tel'aran'rhiod at will, and they are able to exert
varying degrees of mastery over its strange and malleable nature.
Tel'aran'rhiod |
Perrin within the Wolf Dream |
The Aiel Wise Ones are known to use Dreamwalking as a method of communication between the clans. Known
Aiel Dreamwalkers include Amys, Bair,Melaine and Seana.
Wise Ones are the matriarchal leaders of the Aiel.
Amys - Bair - Melaine |
Seana |
The Game
of Thrones:
A woman stood under the
persimmon tree, clad in a hooded robe that brushed the grass. Beneath the hood,
her face seemed hard and shiny. She is wearing a mask, Dany knew, a
wooden mask finished in dark red lacquer. “Quaithe? Am I dreaming?” She pinched her ear and winced at
the pain. “I dreamt of you on Balerion, when first
we came to Astapor.”
“You did not
dream. Then or now.”
“What are you doing here?
How did you get past my guards?”
“I came another way. Your guards never saw me.”
“If I call out, they will
kill you.”
“They will swear to you
that I am not here.”
“Are you here?”
“No. Hear me, Daenerys Targaryen. The glass candles are burning. Soon comes
the pale mare, and after her the others. Kraken and dark flame, lion and
griffin, the sun’s son and the mummer’s dragon. Trust none of them. Remember
the Undying. Beware the perfumed seneschal.”
Note: So the difference is this isn’t a dream. Whether a form of magic
or forgotten technology glass candles are a forms of communication unknown to most
or lost to time except by a chosen few as revealed thus far. Quaithe
seems to use the glass candles the
way the Wise Ones use dreamwalking;a form of long
distance communications to relay important information.
Dany |
Quaithe |
The
Wheel of Time:
Since training ter'angreal for
the World of Dreams exist, it is likely that they were used or studied in some
way in the Age of Legends. Seeing as most of the Forsaken can
enter Tel'aran'rhiod it can be assumed that it was more or less common during
the Age of Legends. The last known dreamer in the White Tower was
named Corianin Nedeal;
she died many years ago. Egwene al'Vere is the only natural
"dreamer", called dreamwalkers, out of the Aes Sedai. Aiel Wise Ones
also make use of Tel'aran'rhiod frequently, and the gift of Dreaming, or
Dreamwalking, seems to be more common among them. Many of the Forsaken,
including Lanfear and Moghedien have
been known to use Tel'aran'rhiod for meetings,
spying, and for traveling.
The Forsaken |
Lanfear |
Moghedien |
A lesser form of traveling called Skimming |
The Game
of Thrones:
“What feeds a dragon’s
fire?” Marwyn seated himself upon a stool. “All Valyrian
sorcery was rooted in blood or fire. The
sorcerers of the Freehold could see across mountains, seas, and deserts with
one of these glass candles. They could enter a man’s dreams and give him visions, and
speak to one another half a world apart, seated before their candles. Do you
think that might be useful, Slayer?”
“We would have no more need of ravens.”
In the WOT
instead of ravens Aes Sedai of the White Tower and their associates used
pigeons to relay messages back and forth prior to rediscovering the World of
Dreams and being able to communicate instantaneously through it.
He knew that
you were coming.”
“How?”
Alleras
nodded at the glass candle.
Note: Maester Marwyn IMO knows how to utilize theglass candles; he is simply leading Sam down a
road he needs to take because he also tells him the following:
“You . . . you should stay
and forge your chain. If I were you, I would do it quickly. A time will come when you’ll be needed on the Wall.”
Is Sam going
to be needed because of the Horn of Joramun after
he discovers its true use? Those who have read TWOT should also remember
that the Horn of Valere was
taken to the White Tower the same place that kept had the secret library known
as the “thirteenth depositary” where only
a select few had access to the secret histories that were unknown to the
masses. Again I believe that the Citadel is keeping secrets for their own
reasons also as was the White Tower.
Sam |
Horn of Joramun |
Horn of Valere |
Maester
Marwyn knew Sam was coming and Alleras seems to believe it has to do with him
seeing it in the glass candle.
The Forsaken used Tel’aran’rhiod to travel across great distances
instantly. Will they also discover something like this in the Game of Thrones?
A question that comes to
mind is have there been individuals at the Citadel who have been studying and
withholding information on the glass candles in
the same fashion as Corianin Nedeal did in the White Tower?
The
Wheel of Time:
Anyone can enter the World
of Dreams while sleeping, and those
who brush up against it in their sleep often do not know what they are doing.
These people usually do not stay for more than a few seconds. Many people awake with pains and bruises that they cannot
explain, caused by taking small injuries in Tel'aran'rhiod. Dreamwalkers can enter the world at will while sleeping, as
well as those who hold certain ter'angreal. Some dream ter'angreal do not even require channeling to
activate them, and thus Tel'aran'rhiod can also be accessed by those who do not
channel. Another way to access the
World of Dreams is to create a gateway into it from the waking world. Aiel
Wise Ones, however, have warned against this several times, stating that anyone
who does this loses a piece of their humanity. On rare occasions, very powerful
channelers such as Rand al'Thor have
unknowingly entered the World of Dreams while sleeping and have stayed there
for a time. It is unclear if this is caused by the channeler, or if an outside
force has actually pulled them into the Unseen World somehow. One final way to
enter Tel'aran'rhiod is only accessible toWolfbrothers; these
individual can enter through what is known as the Wolf Dream.
Rand al'Thor |
Elyas and Perrin; Wolfbrothers |
The Game
of Throne
The Wolf Dream screams of Brandon Stark.
He is just like Perrin in that he can speak to wolves in a similar
fashion that Bran speaks with his direwolf. Though we know Bran will grow
to be able to warg almost any animal and any person if he is as strong as I
believe he is. Bran is currently mastering his gift of becoming a
greenseer.
Bran dreams of the three-eyed crow |
Perrin |
A greenseer is
the name for the wise men of the children of the forest who had magical abilities that
included power over nature and prophetic visions.
Bran being mentored by the three-eyed crow |
A child of the forest |
Greenseers had the greensight and
were wargs as well. The First Men believed that they were responsible for
carving the faces into weirwood treesand
stories describe the greenseers seeing through the faces of their weirwoods,
influencing animal and plant life. One in a thousand men is born a
skinchanger and one skinchanger in a thousand is born a greenseer. It is
also known that humans can be born greenseers just as they are born wargs.
Weirwood Tree |
The relationship between
the greenseers of the children of the forest and the order of green men who
protect the Isle ofFaces in the God's Eye has
not been specified. There is one greenseer left in the world - thethree-eyed crow.
Note: Anyone who has
read TWOT knows that Perrin can do the same things as Bran. They also
know how rare it is to be a Wolfbrother just like being a greenseer who is a warg.
The
Wheel of Time:
The first thing to
remember in the World of Dreams is that what happens is real, so if a person dies in the dream, that person also dies in
the real world. Some people who go to sleep perfectly healthy will
die; this happens when they die in Tel'aran'rhiod, and this can happen to
anyone who accidentally touches the world unaware (or even those who know what
they are doing). Along the same lines, people
who are wounded there will awaken with the wounds.
The world is
malleable; one can project thoughts to make creatures and buildings. Larger things that are made in this fashion are more
difficult to maintain and control than smaller ones. A person with stray
thoughts in the World of Dreams may have difficulty maintaining their personal
appearance, which often causes their clothing to flicker and change. The key to mastering the World is to always remember it is a
dream; if a person accepts something happening as reality that
person may become trapped in the dream. Conversely, to keep her personal
appearance solid and unchanging, a Dreamwalker must focus and think of herself
as real. Individuals who are talented at
manipulating the World of Dreams can also imagine themselves as being somewhere
else, and they will instantly appear in that location.Additionally,
such individuals can also affect constructs made by other individuals; someone
with greater control of the World of Dreams could imagine something out of existence
while a person with less control is actively attempting to prevent it. One can also affect one's own body while in the World of
Dreams, to the extent of healing wounds if they are supremely skilled.
The Game
of Thrones:
Does Dany’s journey through
the House of the Undying point to the fact that the glass candlesburning helped to create the
visions that she saw akin to the world of dreams?
Because we don’t know a
lot about the glass candlesat this
point and we don’t know the effect of injuries while using them. Right
now I am leaning in the direction that Thoros of Myr having an instinctive
ability, whether the fact that the candles are burning I can’t say, to bring individuals back from the brink of death as
being related to those in Tel’aran’rhiodbeing able
to heal their own wounds. His ability can also be likened to Healing in
TWOT.
One Aes Sedai healing another |
Shadowbinders IMO are using a form of sorcery that
is similar to Tel’aran’rhiod only it takes place in the real world and not in
the dream. Take Melisandrebirthing shadow assassins and killing
Renly Baratheon and Ser Cortnay Penrose as prime examples. In TWOT this
truth was known to be true in dreams. Whether it takes place in dreams or the real
world the concepts are the same as is the end result of their uses.
Melisandre, shadowbinder of Asshai |
The
Wheel of Time:
Within Tel'aran'rhiod
light appears to be ambient, with no obvious source. One often experiences a constant feeling of unseen eyes
watching from every direction while within it. Time is also difficult to measure within the World of Dreams
and appears to pass at a completely different rate. A person may be asleep for
only an hour in the waking world, but they may experience several hours in
Tel'aran'rhiod. Or, a person may only spend fifteen minutes in Tel'aran'rhiod
and wake up to find that they had been sleeping for several hours. While time
is different between the World of Dreams and the waking world, it does not run
backwards. A person who sleeps for fifteen minutes can not go
back in time in the World of Dreams, just as a person who spends several hours
in Tel'aran'rhiod cannot wake up earlier than the original time that they went
to sleep. Wolfbrother's seem to have the greatest amount of control over the
World of Dreams than all others, for they have both the intrinsic connection to
it that the wolves do, but supplemented with human intelligence regarding how
and what they wish to do. Perrin Aybara, for instance, mastered the World of
Dreams so completely that he can enter and exit it in the flesh simply by
willing it so, and manipulate virtually anything within it. The only other
individual who has shown this sort of mastery of Tel'aran'rhiod is the
dual-souled man known as Slayer. While not a wolfbrother, his master of the Dream
World is surpassed only by Perrin due to his own wolfbrother
nature.
A person who visits the
Unseen World while sleeping does not get the same rest as someone who sleeps
and dreams normally throughout the night.
The Game
of Thrones:
Time behaving
differently is the biggest clue
that both glass candles and
Tel'aran'rhiod act in similar fashions.
Within
the rooms that Dany encountered some of those within the room actually looked
at her and she got the feeling that they saw her. They weren’t unseen eyes but
the point is made.
Farther on she came upon a
feast of corpses… In a throne above them sat a dead man with the head of a
wolf. He wore an iron crown and held a leg of lamb in one hand as a king might
hold a scepter, and his eyes followed Dany with
mute appeal.
“He has a song,” the man
replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and
fire.” He looked up when he said it and his eyes met
Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door.
Within the House of the
Undying everyone in the visions that she saw had their eyes upon her for the
most part as she was the center of attention.
Time
also wasn’t constant within the House of the Undying:
It seemed as
though she walked for another hourbefore
the long hall finally ended in a steep stone stair, descending into darkness.
Every door, open or
closed, had been to her left. Dany looked back behind her. The torches were
going out, she realized with a start of fear.
“So soon?” she said, confused. “I’ve walked for hours, and still not found them.”
“You have taken a wrong
turning. Come, I will lead you.” Pyat Pree held out his hand.
Since there is a “glass candle” in Qarth and buring in the house
of Urrathon
Night-Walker I don’t know if this is what is causing the
visions that Dany was seeing or is it something that in natural within
her. The Undying of Qarth wanting to keep her there with them would make
me think that it has a lot to do with her.
A Question that I have and
I am still trying to work out to finish my theory is who will be Bran’s rival
as a greenseer? In TWOT Perrin is the Bran character and the Wolf Dream
is more powerful or his ability within it was more powerful than the strongest
dreamer and could easily with the power of his thoughts thwart what others
tried to do to him because of the teachings of Hopper.
Perrin had Slayer as a rival who will be there to stand against Bran?
Hopper |
The
Wheel of Time:
Heroes bound to the Wheel of Time who have not yet
been spun back into the world of life, wait for
their rebirth in Tel’aran’rhiod or the call of the Horn of Valere. Rules that govern the
heroes prohibit contacting or communicating with dreamwalkers, a rule that the
hero Birgitte Silverbow disregarded
on numerous occasions to aid in the fight with the shadow.
While heroes lack the
ability to manipulate the world of dreams to the extent of the dreamwalkers,
they are more aware of what occurs inside the dream. For a time Birgitte spied
on the Forsaken providing information of what they were doing in the dream and
access to meetings held there.
It is apparently possible
to rip a hero from the Wheel of Time using the One Power. This act, without
aid, would result in the permanent death of the hero. The death of the hero can
be prevented through the unique properties of the Warder Bond.
The Game
of Thrones:
If ASOIAF takes on the
mythos of the Horn of Valere using the Horn of Winter then it creates an avenue
to bring back Ygritte along with the Seventy-nine sentinels in Old Nan’s stories.
Like Birgitte Ygritte was also extraordinary with a bow.
Ygritte |
The seventy-nine sentinels |
Old Nan telling Bran a story |
The
Wheel of Time:
Dreaming is a Talent that
seems somewhat like Foretelling, which is the
ability to see the future, but with needed interpretation of course.
Dreaming seems to be connected to Dreamwalking as the Aiel Wise Ones also seem
adept at "reading the dream" as
they call it. They also train Dreamwalkers to remember every dream they have
when they sleep, which allows them to sift out the ones that are just ordinary
dreams and interpret True Dreams (which are the ones that foretell events).
The Game
of Thrones:
Anyone familiar with Jojen Reed and
Melisandre should know they have the gift of
seeing the future although both their interpretations are somewhat lacking.
The greensight ability itself filters out True Dreams from ordinary dreams.
Bran Jojen and Meera |
The
Wheel of Time:
Similar to the Talent of
Dreaming the future, a Wolfbrother such as Perrin can see truthful visions of
the people in the waking world. These seem to be more relevant to current
situations than the future, however.
The Game
of Thrones:
Like I keep saying Bran
has similar abilities as Perrin in the Wolf Dreams. As far as seeing and
having truthful visions of the people in waking world there is no better
example than the following:
He looked east, and saw a
galley racing across the waters of the Bite.
He saw his mother sitting alone in a cabin, looking at a bloodstained knife on
a table in front of her, as the rowers pulled at their oars and Ser Rodrik leaned
across a rail, shaking and heaving. A storm was gathering ahead of them, a vast
dark roaring lashed by lightning, but somehow they could not see it.
He looked south, and saw
the great blue-green rush of the Trident.
He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying
herself to sleep at night, and he saw Aryawatching
in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all
around them. One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound.
Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a
giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was
nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.
Sansa |
Arya |
He lifted his eyes and saw
clear across the narrow sea,
to the Free Cities and
the green Dothraki seaand
beyond, to Vaes Dothrak under
its mountain, to the fabled lands of the Jade Sea, to Asshai by the
Shadow, where dragons stirred beneath the sunrise.
The narrow sea |
Vaes Dothrak |
Asshai by the Shadow |
Finally he looked north.
He saw the Wall shining like
blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping
alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth
fled from him. And he looked past the Wall, past endless forests cloaked in
snow, past the frozen shore and the great blue-white rivers of ice and the dead
plains where nothing grew or lived. North and north and north he looked, to the
curtain of light at the end of the world, and then beyond that curtain. He looked
deep into the heart of winter, and then he cried out, afraid, and the heat of
his tears burned on his cheeks.
The Wall |
Jon |
Now you know, the crow whispered as it sat on his shoulder. Now
you know why you must live.
“Why?” Bran said, not
understanding, falling, falling.
Because
winter is coming.
So what do we really know
about the glass candles? We know that there
is one green and three black candles were brought to the Citadel from Valyria a thousand years before the Doom of Valyria. We know that they
can be used for long distance communications making ravens obsolete. We know
that they are being utilized or burning. We don’t know the reason why they were kept secret as
of yet but I believe Sam will uncover that mystery.
The Doom of Valyria |
Comments encouraged. Love to hear the idea’s of
others. Most believe that since I present my idea’s as “fact like” I’m
not open to change my viewpoints which is far from the truth. I simply
look at the information presented and go from there. If you can shine a
light on another way of thinking that opens the door to debate.
How would everyone know that Jon is a Targaryen, because only Bran has known the truth up to now?
ReplyDeleteWell where do I start. Let me first tell you how it happened in The Wheel of Time. Rand al’Thor (Jon Snow) goes to Falme with his party and they argue about pursing Padan Fain (Littlefinger) who has the Horn of Valere (Horn of Winter) and the ruby hilted dagger (Catspaw dagger). A battle between the Seanchan (Valyrians) and the Whitecloaks (they are going to replace this with White Walkers). Bal’alzamon, a follower of the Dark One, goes up against Rand and somehow their battle is projected into the sky over Falme and everyone there see’s it. Just perform a find for Falme in the following link
So how could everyone learn that Jon Snow is Rhaegar’s son. I believe that they have technology that is yet to be re-discovered by everyone (i.e. glass candles) that can project visions of a person from one location to another. We are told in the books that the glass candles started burning after the dragons were born back into the world but I don’t know if it was them or not. What I am saying is that in the books I believe that the glass candles will be used as I believe that they are going to start popping up all over which will allow the events of Jon’s parentage to be televised as it were to a large enough section of the population that it will spread like wildfire to the people of their world.
My response to this on reddit:
ReplyDeletehttps://redd.it/6o54t6
I pulled this up from “The World of Ice & Fire: The Untold History of Westeros and the Game of Thrones.” I think it cooborates my theory that R'hllor is nothing but a greenseer who is pushing his/her agenda with visions trying to push an agenda IMO to have mankind wipe himself and the White Walkers out of existence.
ReplyDelete“Legend further holds that the greenseers could also delve into the past and see far into the future. But as all our learning has shown us, the higher mysteries that claim this power also claim that their visions of the things to come are unclear and often misleading—a useful thing to say when seeking to fool the unwary with fortune-telling. Though the children had arts of their own, the truth must always be separated from superstition, and knowledge must be tested and made sure. The higher mysteries, the arts of magic, were and are beyond the boundaries of our mortal ability to examine.”
With the glass candles being brought up now I can definitely see that R'hllor is trying to keep secret the real history of this world.
Did Quaithe bring Dany into the dream like the Shadow did in TWOT?
ReplyDelete“If I cannot enter her dream, can I bring her into the World of Dreams? I need some way to talk to her.”
“We would not teach you that if we knew how,” Amys said, hitching her shawl angrily. “It is an evil thing you ask, Nynaeve Sedai.”
“She would be as helpless here as you in her dream.” Bair’s thin voice sounded like an iron rod. “It has been handed down among dreamwalkers since the first that no one must ever be brought into the dream. It is said that that was the way of the Shadow in the last days of the Age of Legends.”