Saturday, April 27, 2019

Will the Wheel be broken in ASOIAF? Or will events repeat themselves?


Potential Spoilers Below

I keep telling everyone that similarities between The Wheel of Time (TWOT) and A Song of Ice and Fire (ASOIAF) are vast even if there are those out there that say otherwise. 


Rand sighed; he almost thought if he turned his head quickly enough, he would see Alanna’s hand poised over him. “What about the question I posed you last time? Herid? Herid?”

The stout man’s head jerked up. “Oh. Yes. Ah, question. Last time. Tarmon Gai’don. Well, I don’t know what it will be like. Trollocs, I suppose? Dreadlords? Yes. Dreadlords. But I have been thinking. It can’t be the Last Battle. I don’t think it can. Maybe every Age has a Last Battle. Or most of them.” Suddenly he frowned down his nose at the pipe in his teeth, and began rummaging across the table. “I have a tinderbox here somewhere.”

“What do you mean it can’t be the Last Battle?” Rand tried to keep his voice smooth. Herid always came to the point; you just had to prod him toward it.

“What? Yes, exactly the point. It can’t be the Last Battle. Even if the Dragon Reborn seals the Dark One’s prison again as well as the Creator made it. Which I don’t think he can do.” He leaned forward and lowered his voice conspiratorially. “He isn’t the Creator, you know, whatever they say in the streets. Still, it has to be sealed up again by somebody. The Wheel, you see.”

“I don’t see. . . .” Rand trailed off.

“Yes, you do. You’d make a good student.” Snatching his pipe out, Herid drew a circle in the air with the stem. “The Wheel of Time. Ages come and go and come again as the Wheel turns. All the catechism.” Suddenly he stabbed a point on that imaginary wheel. “Here the Dark One’s prison is whole. Here, they drilled a hole in it, and sealed it up again.” He moved the bit of the pipe along the arc he had drawn. “Here we are. The seal’s weakening. But that doesn’t matter, of course.” The pipestem completed the circle. “When the Wheel turns back to here, back to where they drilled the hole in the first place, the Dark One’s prison has to be whole again.”

“Why? Maybe the next time they’ll drill through the patch. Maybe that’s how they could do it the last time—drill into what the Creator made, I mean—maybe they drilled the Bore through a patch and we just don’t know.”

Herid shook his head. For a moment he stared at his pipe, once more realizing it was unlit, and Rand thought he might have to recall him again, but instead Herid blinked and went on. “Someone had to make it sometime. For the first time, that is. Unless you think the Creator made the Dark One’s prison with a hole and patch to begin.” His eyebrows waggled at the suggestion. “No, it was whole in the beginning, and I think it will be whole again when the Third Age comes once more. Hmmm. I wonder if they called it the Third Age?” He hastily dipped a pen and scribbled a note in the margins of an open book. “Umph. No matter now. I’m not saying the Dragon Reborn will be the one to make it whole, not in this Age necessarily anyway, but it must be so before the Third Age comes again, and enough time passed since it was made whole—an Age, at least—that no one remembers the Dark One or his prison. No one remembers. Um. I wonder. . . .” He peered at his notes and scratched his head, then seemed startled to find he used the hand holding the pen. There was a smudge of ink in his hair. “Any Age where seals weaken must remember the Dark One eventually, because they will have to face him and wall him up again.” Sticking his pipe back between his teeth, he tried to make another note without dipping the pen.
             
“Unless the Dark One breaks free,” Rand said quietly. “To break the Wheel of Time, and remake Time and the world in his own image.”

There is that.” Herid shrugged, frowning at the pen. Finally he thought of the inkpot. “I don’t suppose there’s much you or I can do about it. Why don’t you come study here with me? I don’t suppose Tarmon Gai’don will happen tomorrow, and it would be as good a use of your time as—”

“Is there any reason you can think of to break the seals?”

Herid’s eyebrows shot up. “Break the seals? Break the seals? Why would anyone but a madman want to do that? Can they even be broken? I seem to remember reading somewhere they can’t, but I don’t recall now that it said why. What made you think of a thing like that?”

“I don’t know,” Rand sighed. In the back of his head Lews Therin was chanting. Break the seals. Break the seals, and end it. Let me die forever.


This is exactly the scenario playing out in ASOIAF.  We are coming to a point where Jon Snow and crew are about to begin their version of the Last Battle.  Everybody should remember the conversation that Dany had with Tyrion about breaking the Wheel. 

1.       The Dark One’s prison is whole (The Wheel of Time)
-          There is no White Walker to break free; he wasn’t created (A Song of Ice and Fire)

2.       They drilled a hole in it and sealed it up again
-          A shard of dragon glass pushed into a man’s chest creates the Night King and they locked him away using magic

3.       The seal’s weaking and the Dark One starts breaking free
-          The magic that holds the Night King is broken bit by bit and

4.       Herid suggests that “When the Wheel turns back to here (step 2) back to where they drilled the hole in the first place the Dark One’s prison has to be whole again.  When the Third Age comes again, and enough time passed since it was made whole – an Age, at least-that no one remembers the Dark One or his prison.  No one remembers.
-          It suggests that if this world is using circular time when the wheel comes full circle the Night King has to have been defeated to where enough time passes and no one remembers the Night King or the magic that was used to lock him away to begin with.

5.       Unless the Dark One breaks free and remakes Time and the world in his own image
-          Unless the Night King kills Bran the last remaining three-eyed crow and remakes the world in his own image

6.       Herid suggests that any age where seals weaken must remember the Dark One eventually, because they will have to face him and wall him up again
-          It suggests falling back into a time (step 4) where no one remembers the Night King and everything repeats itself

7.       Rand suggest breaking the seals and Herid thinks him a madman.
-          Bran will break the seals that he has on Winterfell and start fighting back instead of defending against the Night King.

How he fights back: (break seal on volcano, in case of emergency, to kill majority of Army of the Dead and block them from advancing)


Once the Army of the Dead’s progress is halted (break the magic on the crypts and blow the Horn of Winter to awaken your own Army of the Dead to fight the Night King’s Army on your side of the volcano; allowing the living the chance to retreat)


Comments encouraged.  Love to hear the idea’s of others.  Most believe that since I present my idea’s as “fact like” I’m not open to change my viewpoints which is far from the truth.  I simply look at the information presented and go from there.  If you can shine a light on another way of thinking that opens the door to debate.


1 comment:

  1. This is the Wall. First the Wall is whole and the Ice god was trapped. Enough time passed so that men forgot what created the Wall and what was contained within it. Men drilled into the Wall (the passage by which they passed from one side to the other). Time goes by and the prison begin the weaken. The Ice god can reach through and do certain things (i.e. bring back Beric, Lady Stoneheart, Arya & Jon Snow from the dead). The key is formed (Lightbringer) and it unlocks the prison entirely. The Ice go challenges the Fire god again and this time the Fire god loses and a black obsidian Wall forms. It is now whole. Enough time passes and the cycle begins again.

    When I look at the three-eyed crow in light of this could not the Night’s Watch oath be what he does to guard the realms of me?

    "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."
    ―The Night's Watch oath

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