Friday, July 14, 2017

The case for Melisandre being Nissa Nissa

Potential Spoilers Below


Could Jon Snow be the one who kills Melisandre and she becomes his Nissa Nissa; this is my thinking on this.  He goes into the crypts finishing his dream in the flesh this time for real and learns his true identity. 

Jon Snow

Melisandre

Nissa Nissa
Robert & Ned in the Winterfell Crypts

Jon’s Dream:

Jon shook his head. “No one. The castle is always empty.” He had never told anyone of the dream, and he did not understand why he was telling Sam now, yet somehow it felt good to talk of it. “Even the ravens are gone from the rookery, and the stables are full of bones. That always scares me. I start to run then, throwing open doors, climbing the tower three steps at a time, screaming for someone, for anyone. And then I find myself in front of the door to the crypts. It’s black inside, and I can see the steps spiraling down. Somehow I know I have to go down there, but I don’t want to. I’m afraid of what might be waiting for me. The old Kings of Winter are down there, sitting on their thrones with stone wolves at their feet and iron swords across their laps, but it’s not them I’m afraid of. I scream that I’m not a Stark, that this isn’t my place, but it’s no good, I have to go anyway, so I start down, feeling the walls as I descend, with no torch to light the way. It gets darker and darker, until I want to scream.” He stopped, frowning, embarrassed. “That’s when I always wake.” His skin cold and clammy, shivering in the darkness of his cell. Ghost would leap up beside him, his warmth as comforting as daybreak. He would go back to sleep with his face pressed into the direwolf’s shaggy white fur. “Do you dream of Horn Hill?” Jon asked.

Sam

Ghost

Horn Hill
In the crypts he will find the sword Dawn in Lyanna’s tomb.  Click here to see why I believe Dawn is Lightbringer.

Dawn aka Lightbringer IMO

Lyanna's tomb in the Winterfell Crypts
The following conversation between Melisandre and Jon has always been something that has bugged me in "A Dance with Dragons":

“You are wrong. I have dreamed of your Wall, Jon Snow. Great was the lore that raised it, and great the spells locked beneath its ice. We walk beneath one of the hinges of the world.” Melisandre gazed up at it, her breath a warm moist cloud in the air. “This is my place as it is yours, and soon enough you may have grave need of me. Do not refuse my friendship, Jon. I have seen you in the storm, hard-pressed, with enemies on every side. You have so many enemies. Shall I tell you their names?”

The Wall
“I know their names.”

“Do not be so certain.” The ruby at Melisandre’s throat gleamed red. “It is not the foes who curse you to your face that you must fear, but those who smile when you are looking and sharpen their knives when you turn your back. You would do well to keep your wolf close beside you. Ice, I see, and daggers in the dark. Blood frozen red and hard, and naked steel. It was very cold.”

“It is always cold on the Wall.”

“You think so?”

“I know so, my lady.”

“Then you know nothing, Jon Snow,” she whispered.”

Jon Snow and Melisandre talk in the TV show
She uses Ygritte’s words.  Why?  Could somehow part of Ygritte reside within her?    

Ygritte
Melisandre makes her return and Davos will try and make good on his word and will attempt to try and kill her again.  Jon being his father’s son learned his lessons well, the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword, and he stabs her with Dawn or a dagger (she would see a sword and Davos coming like she did previously – or maybe this time she truly is ready to die as her words suggest).   Jon will kill her and she will becomes his Nissa Nissa. 

Davos attempts to kill Melisandre







   




Melisandre is banished



















The Prophecy:

When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.

Azor Ahai during the Long Night
For those of you who have read my theories you know I believe that Melisandre (i.e. the Red woman) is also Shiera Seastar (Star of the Sea) or Melony the daughter of Shiera and Bloodraven, aka the Three-eyed crow, and would be part Seastar and also a (Star of the Sea).  The Dothraki named the comet shierak qiya, “the Bleeding Star.”  Notice that Shiera Seastar’s first name with a “K” added to it is in the Dothraki word.  The prophecy of the red star was not speaking of a literal star or a comet alas but a metaphorical one.

Shiera Seastar

Bloodraven

the Three-eyed crow

The Red Comet as seen from different vantage points in Westeros

She would then be the “Red Star” that is bleeding.  Her tears account for the salt.  When Jon was stabbed by the Night’s Watch his wounds were described as smoking.  Melisandre’s wound would then account for the smoke.  What does it means that darkness gathers?  At this point the Night’s King will have made it to the Wall in search of Bran.  The Night’s King will have his forces with him accounting for the darkness gathering.

Bran being marked by the Night's King

Melisandre being the one searching for Azor Ahai is the one who herself triggers the prophecy.  She speaks and Jon understands too late and Dawn comes alive in his hands.  With her dying breath Melisandre whispers to Jon the words that are probably burned into his memeory: 

“She just smiled at that. “D’you remember that cave? We should have stayed in that cave. I told you so.”

“We’ll go back to the cave,” he said. “You’re not going to die, Ygritte. You’re not.”

“Oh.” Ygritte Melisandre cupped his cheek with her hand. “You know nothing, Jon Snow,” she sighed, dying.”

As far as waking dragons from stone there will either be the clutch of eggs that were left by Vermax or there is information that shows both Jon and Tyrion are both Targaryen’s and it is a metaphorical waking of dragons.  Some ask why would information on Tyrion be in the tombs; well I say that Tyrion is going to be needed for his military prowess as a strategist that he has absorbed from both Tywin and the books that he constantly reads and time is running short (pardon the pun).

Tyrion

Tywin
Jon has already had a dream about killing Ygritte with a burning red sword in his hands.  Could this be the true interpretation of that dream?

“Stand fast,” Jon Snow called. “Throw them back.” He stood atop the Wall, alone. “Flame,” he cried, “feed them flame,” but there was no one to pay heed.

They are all gone. They have abandoned me.

Burning shafts hissed upward, trailing tongues of fire. Scarecrow brothers tumbled down, black cloaks ablaze. “Snow,” an eagle cried, as foemen scuttled up the ice like spiders. Jon was armored in black ice, but his blade burned red in his fist. As the dead men reached the top of the Wall he sent them down to die again. He slew a greybeard and a beardless boy, a giant, a gaunt man with filed teeth, a girl with thick red hair. Too late he recognized Ygritte. She was gone as quick as she’d appeared.”

“The world dissolved into a red mist. Jon stabbed and slashed and cut. He hacked down Donal Noye and gutted Deaf Dick Follard. Qhorin Halfhand stumbled to his knees, trying in vain to staunch the flow of blood from his neck. “I am the Lord of Winterfell,” Jon screamed. It was Robb before him now, his hair wet with melting snow. Longclaw took his head off. Then a gnarled hand seized Jon roughly by the shoulder. He whirled … 

Qhorin Halfhand

Robb
… and woke with a raven pecking at his chest. “Snow,” the bird cried. Jon swatted at it. The raven shrieked its displeasure and flapped up to a bedpost to glare down balefully at him through the predawn gloom.”

Like all dreams things get mashed up and reorganized in a way that makes sense to you while it is happening.  I believe that Bran is trying to open Jon’s third eye because he knows that he is dying and needs to be replaced to be a guardian to stand guard against future threats.  Click here to see why I think Jon will be Bran’s replacement as the three-eyed crow.

I also believe Jon’s dreams are green dreams and the part about black ice refers to Euron’s armor.  Euron went to Valyria and got hold of a full suit of smoke black scale armor made of Valyrian steel.  Does this mean that since Jon is wearing black ice in his dream the interpretation is that he kills Euron and takes it for his own?

Euron

Valyria

Normally I go back and forth and tell you how this all relates back to the Wheel of Time.  Well all of this does also.  To sum it up quickly: Lews Therin (Azor Ahai) in his madness, because of the Dark One’s (?? Who/What is the true evil?) taint, kills his wife Ilyena (Nissa Nissa) and their children.  He kills himself by drawing in too much of the One Power and creates Dragonmount (Tower of Joy).  Where Dragonmount was built that day the Tower of Joy was torn down.  Rand al’Thor was found on Dragonmount during a war (Robert’s Rebellion) in the snow (the reason why I believe that Jon’s last name is truly snow) and raised by a man Tam al’Thor (Ned Stark) who told him he was his father.  Both were born at the place where the men who gave them their power to wield their “swords of destiny” died (Lew Therin – The Lord of the Morning & Ser Arthur DayneThe Sword of the Morning).  I believe that some sort of blood magic (unseen as of yet) was performed that allows Jon to become the next wielder of Dawn.  Both the Dragon Reborn (Rand) and Azor Ahai (Jon) were prophesied to return to try and save their respective worlds.  The sword Callandor (Dawn aka Lightbringer) was said could only be retrieved by the Dragon Reborn; pretty much the same with Lightbringer. 

Lews Therin distraught after learning he killed Ilyena

A representation of the Dark One

Dragonmount

Tower of Joy


Tam finds Rand in the snow

Ned finds Jon at the Tower of Joy

Ser Arthur Dayne


Sword descriptions:

“The One Power surged through him, a torrent greater than he could believe, from saidin into the sword. The crystal blade shone brighter than even Moiraine's fire had. It was impossible to look at, impossible any longer to see that it was a sword, only that light blazed in his fist.

“And now it begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.

Comments encouraged.  Love to hear the ideas of others.  Most believe that since I present my idea’s as “fact like” I’m not open to change my viewpoints which is far from the truth.  I simply look at the information presented and go from there.  If you can shine a light on another way of thinking that opens the door to debate.

2 comments:

  1. While answering another question asked about the topic about Melisandre and the cold I remembered this. It adds to my theory that Melisandre has part of Ygritte possibly within her:

    “When he turned he saw Ygritte.

    She stood beneath the scorched stones of the Lord Commander’s Tower, cloaked in darkness and in memory. The light of the moon was in her hair, her red hair kissed by fire. When he saw that, Jon’s heart leapt into his mouth. “Ygritte,” he said.

    “Lord Snow.” The voice was Melisandre’s.

    Surprise made him recoil from her. “Lady Melisandre.” He took a step backwards. “I mistook you for someone else.” At night all robes are grey. Yet suddenly hers were red. He did not understand how he could have taken her for Ygritte. She was taller, thinner, older, though the moonlight washed years from her face. Mist rose from her nostrils, and from pale hands naked to the night. “You will freeze your fingers off,” Jon warned.

    “If that is the will of R’hllor. Night’s powers cannot touch one whose heart is bathed in god’s holy fire.”

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  2. Awesome. I really hope there is a clutch of Dragon eggs in the crypts of Winterfell.

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