Saturday, December 20, 2014

Why Jon Snow and Rand al'Thor are the same character

Potential Spoilers Below

“He is born again!” Gitara cried.  “I feel him!  The Dragon takes his first breath on the slope of Dragonmount!  He is coming!  He is coming!  Light help us!  Light help the world!  He lies in the snow and cries like the thunder!  He burns like the sun!”

Gitara Moroso
Tam al'Thor finds Rand in the snow on Dragonmount

Above is the prophecy of the Dragon Reborn and about his birth.  When it says “he lies in the snow”, I believe that is a direct correlation to why the bastard name in the north is “Snow

So what is Dragonmount?  Dragonmount is a high, steep mountain west of the island of Tar Valon.  It is also where Tam al’Thor found a baby during the Battle of the Shining Walls and raised him as his own with the name Rand al’Thor.  This filled Gitara’s prophesy. 

The Creation of Dragonmount

Lews Therin Telamon was the Dragon during the War of Power He sealed the Bore of the Dark One using the Seven Seals.  The Dark One countered and tainted saidin the male half of the One Power causing Lew Therin to become insane.  During his insanity he returned and killed his wife Ilyena and their children.  After he was healed of his madness by Ishamael he was horrified and drew too much of the One Power and killed himself causing the creation of Dragonmount.

Lews Therin Telamon

Ileyna being held by Lews Therin after he went mad and killer her 

Iashamael one of the Forsaken

The use of the One Power creating a Fireball

Rand al’Thor is Lews Therin born again.  Rand thinks himself insane as he can hear Lews Therin’s voice speaking to him in his head.



Rand al'Thor

Rand al'Thor

Rand al'Thor holding Callandor


The Prophecies of the Dragon say the Stone of Tear will never fall till Callandor is wielded by the Dragon's hand. The fall of the Stone of Tear will be one of the greatest signs of the Dragon's Rebirth.

The Stone of Tear

Callandor

Callandor will be but one fulfillment of The Karaethon Cycle, as his birth on the slopes of Dragonmount was the first.

So what is Callandor?  Callandor is a male sa'angreal in the form of a crystal sword, powerful enough to destroy a city with one blow. It is sometimes called the Sword That Cannot Be Touched or Sword That Is Not a Sword.  When used in the Pit of Doom it emanated a light as radiant as the sun.

OK let’s start with the birth.  I contend just like most book readers although it isn’t expressly stated that Jon Snow isn’t Ned Stark's son but his nephew.  Book readers go with this line of thinking.


Jon Snow

Ned Stark

Ned’s recalling of Lyanna Stark within the Game of Thrones:

Lyanna Stark


Lyanna's Statue


“He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood

The tower long fallen seems to be Dragonmount.  I wonder if we don’t see a vision from Bran as his abilities grow showing us these events.  Jon may take on more of Rand al’Thor’s abilities and actually have the memories of Azor Ahai.

Azor Ahai

Promise me, Ned, his sister had whispered from her bed of blood”.

So why is “bed of blood” important.  It is explained clearly in a conversation between Danny and Mirri Maz Duur

Daenerys Targaryen

Mirri Maz Duur

Before, Danny said to the ugly Lhazareen woman, I heard you speak of birthing songs... I know every secret of the bloody bed, Silver Lady, nor have I ever lost a babe, Mirri Maz Duur replied.

So with that being said we know that Lyanna was in childbirth when Ned came upon her.  When she asked Ned to “Promise me”, what did he promise?

Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses.

Promise me, Ned. The fever had taken her strength and her voice had been faint as a whisper, but when he gave her his word, the fear had gone out of his sister’s eyes.

The fear went out of her eyes because she knew what a promise from Ned was worth.  He was a man who would never forsake a promise. What did she fear?  She feared that if Robert Baratheon learned that the child she gave birth to knowing that the father was Rhaegar Targaryen that he would kill the child.  The child being Jon Snow, The Prince That Was Promised Jon Snow is therefore A song of ice and fire, the Starks being ice and the Targaryen’s being fire.

Robert Baratheon

Rhaegar Targaryen

“I will,” Ned had promised her. That was his curse. Robert would swear undying love and forget them before evenfall, but Ned Stark kept his vows. He thought of the promises he’d made Lyanna as she lay dying, and the price he’d paid to keep them.”

The price he paid was the tarnishing to his reputation and a wedge in his marriage because he couldn’t tell anyone the truth.


“In ancient books of Asshai it is written that there will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him.” She lifted her voice, so it carried out over the gathered host. “Azor Ahai, beloved of R’hllor! The Warrior of Light, the Son of Fire! Come forth, your sword awaits you! Come forth and take it into your hand!”

Lightbringer in the Game of Thrones gets it’s name in my opinion from the characteristics of Callandor.

“Burnt,” said Salladhor Saan, “and be glad of that, my friend. Do you know the tale of the forging of Lightbringer? I shall tell it to you. It was a time when darkness lay heavy on the world. To oppose it, the hero must have a hero’s blade, oh, like none that had ever been. And so for thirty days and thirty nights Azor Ahai labored sleepless in the temple, forging a blade in the sacred fires. Heat and hammer and fold, heat and hammer and fold, oh, yes, until the sword was done. Yet when he plunged it into water to temper the steel it burst asunder. “Being a hero, it was not for him to shrug and go in search of excellent grapes such as these, so again he began. The second time it took him fifty days and fifty nights, and this sword seemed even finer than the first.  Azor Ahai captured a lion, to temper the blade by plunging it through the beast’s red heart, but once more the steel shattered and split. Great was his woe and great was his sorrow then, for he knew what he must do.  “A hundred days and a hundred nights he labored on the third blade, and as it glowed white-hot in the sacred fires, he summoned his wife. ‘Nissa Nissa,’ he said to her, for that was her name, ‘bare your breast, and know that I love you best of all that is in this world.’ She did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the smoking sword through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a crack across the face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength and her courage all went into the steel. Such is the tale of the forging of Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes.

Salladhor Saan

Nissa Nissa

When the red star bleeds and darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone.

Most book readers agree that Jon Snow will rise after being stabbed.  I look to the Wheel of Time for the answer:

“Rand screamed as he felt it pierce his side, burning like a whitehot poker. The void trembled, but he held on with the last of his strength, and drove the heronmark blade into Ba'alzamon's heart. Ba'alzamon screamed, and the dark behind him screamed. The world exploded in fire.”

Heron Mark blade

Ishmael aka: Ba'alzamon aka: Mordin


So it turns out that Rand was found in a very similar type situation where he was also stabbed and yet he survived and at that moment the Dragon was Reborn.  Will Jon rise and become Azor Ahai?

Both Lew Therin and Azor Ahai both killed their wives.

Both have the fate of world in their hands if the Dark One (TWOT) or the Great Other (GOT) triumphs.

Another thing that both have in common is that neither knew that the men they thought to be their fathers weren't. Did Azor Ahai die on that spot that Jon will be reborn metaphorically like Lews Therin did on Dragonmount where Rand was born physically?


Another attribute that Rand al’Thor has is the conquering of cites.  That attribute is given to Daenerys Targaryen from the Game of Thrones.  Rand is referred to as the Dragon Reborn and Daenerys is responsible for the “Rebirth of Dragons”.  Coincidence I think not.

Daenerys Targaryen and the "Rebirth of Dragons"



For those of you who haven’t read the Wheel of Time below is a list of The Prophecies of the Dragon.  Check back to see how these prophecies relate to the Game of Thrones as the final books are written.


And it shall come to pass that what men made shall be shattered,
and the Shadow shall lie across the Pattern of the Age,
and the Dark One shall once more lay his hand upon the world of man.
Women shall weep and men quail as the nations of the earth are rent like rotting cloth.
Neither shall anything stand or abide...

The Shadow shall rise across the world, and darken every land, even to the smallest corner, and there shall be neither Light nor safety.
And he who shall be born of the Dawn, born of the Maiden, according to Prophecy,
he shall stretch forth his hands to catch the Shadow,
and the world shall scream in the pain of salvation.
All Glory be to the Creator, and to the Light, and to he who shall be born again. May the Light save us from him.
Yet one shall be born to face the Shadow,
born once more as he was born before,
and shall be born again, time without end.
The Dragon shall be Reborn,
and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth at his rebirth.
In sackcloth and ashes shall he clothe the people,
and he shall break the world again by his coming,
tearing apart all ties that bind.
Like the unfettered dawn shall he blind us, and burn us,
yet shall the Dragon Reborn confront the Shadow at the Last Battle,
and his blood shall give us the Light.
Let tears flow, O ye people of the world.
Weep for your salvation.

On the slopes of Dragonmount shall he be born,
born of a maiden wedded to no man.
He will be of the ancient blood, and raised by the old blood.
When the winds of Tarmon Gai'don scour the earth,
he will face the Shadow and bring forth Light again in the world.
For he shall come like the breaking dawn,
and shatter the world again with his coming, and make it anew.

Twice and twice shall he be marked,
twice to live, and twice to die.
Once the heron, to set his path.
Twice the heron, to name him true.
Once the Dragon, for remembrance lost.
Twice the Dragon, for the price he must pay.

Five ride forth, and four return.
Above the Watchers Over the Waves shall he proclaim himself,
bannered 'cross the sky in fire.

The Stone of Tear will never fall, till Callandor is wielded by the Dragon’s hand.
The Stone of Tear will never fall, till the People of the Dragon come.

Into the heart he thrusts his sword,
into the heart, to hold their hearts.
who draws it out shall follow after,
What hand can grasp that fearful blade?

Power of the Shadow made human flesh
wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin.
The Reborn One, marked and bleeding,
dances the sword in dreams and mist,
chains the Shadowsworn to his will,
from the city, lost and forsaken,
leads the spears to war once more,
breaks the spears and makes them see,
truth long hidden in the ancient dream.

He shall slay his people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf.

With his coming are the dread fires born again.
The hills burn, and the land turns sere.
The tides of men run out, and the hours dwindle.
The wall is pierced, and the veil of parting raised.
Storms rumble beyond the horizon, and the fires of heaven purge the earth.
There is no salvation without destruction, no hope this side of death.

The unstained tower, broken, bends knee to the forgotten sign.
The seas rage, and stormclouds gather unseen.
Beyond the horizon, hidden fires swell, and serpents nestle in the bosom.
What was exalted is cast down; what was cast down is raised up.
Order burns to clear his path.

There can be no health in us, nor any good thing grow,
for the land is one with the Dragon Reborn, and he is one with the land.
Soul of fire, heart of stone, in pride he conquers, forcing the proud to yield.
He calls upon the mountains to kneel, and the seas to give way, and the very skies to bow.
Pray that the heart of stone remembers tears, and the soul of fire, love.

As the plow breaks the earth shall he break the lives of men,
and all that was shall be consumed in the fire of his eyes.
The trumpets of war shall sound at his footsteps, the ravens feed at his voice,
and he shall wear a crown of swords.

Master of the lightnings, rider on the storm,
wearer of a crown of swords, spinner out of fate.
Who thinks he turns the Wheel of Time,
may learn the truth too late.

The Seals that hold back the night shall weaken,
and in the heart of winter shall winter’s heart be born,
amid the wailings of lamentation and the gnashing of teeth,
for winter’s heart shall ride a black horse, and the name of it is Death.

And it shall come to pass, in the days when the Dark Hunt rides,
when the right hand falters and the left hand strays,
that mankind shall come to the Crossroads of Twilight,
and all that is, all that was,
and all that will be shall balance on the point of a sword,
while the winds of the Shadow grow.

He shall heal the wounds of madness and cutting of hope.

He shall hold a blade of light in his hands, and the three shall be one.

He shall bind the nine moons to serve him.  The north shall he tie to the east, and the west shall be bound to the south.

Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.
Once for mourning, once for birth.
Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.
In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,
washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation.

He shall break chains and put others into chains.

Fortune rides like the sun on high
with the fox that makes the ravens fly.
Luck his soul, the lightning his eye,
He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known.

When the Fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.





Comments encouraged.  Love to hear the idea’s of others.  Most believe that since I present my idea’s as “fact like” I’m not open to change my viewpoints which is far from the truth.  I simply look at the information presented and go from there.  If you can shine a light on another way of thinking that opens the door to debate.



















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