Monday, April 25, 2016

Who will resurrect Jon Snow in the TV show



 Potential Spoilers Below


After watching Season 6 episode 1 of The Game of Thrones it has shifted my perspective on who will actually resurrect Jon Snow; at least in the television show.  I have always thought, from reading the books, Melisandre was older than what she appears to be and the show just corroborated that fact.  Again I think if she had the ability to do it she would have done it already.  Why do I think this?

Jon Snow dead but not out!
Melisandre
Melisandre as she really is
First in the Wheel of Time there are characters called Aes Sedai who use what is called the One Power.  An Aes Sedai’s strength in the power is directly proportional to their life span.  This strength was a matter of the sheet raw amount of the One Power that could be drawn.  The longest recorded life spans being 900 years.  Using the power they can use a weave called the Mask of Mirrors, Mirror of Mists or simply Illusion.  Using this weave the individual can alter one’s voice, change one’s appearance to something entirely different to how they actually appear (i.e. taller, shorter, thinner, fatter etc).  A present day female Aes Sedai who had taken the Three Oaths was easy to point out as she took on an ageless appearance.  Basically you couldn’t tell her age from looking at her.  A woman of say 150 may appear to be in her 30’s for all intents and purposes.  The Mask of Mirrors has also been used to affect what a person is saying into making the listener hear something else entirely.  So my question to you does not this sound like the glamor that Melisandre has used on herself?

Aes Sedai
Mask of Mirror
Making an Aes Sedai into a giant

Melisandre's glamor; her necklace
OK so who do I believe will resurrect Jon Snow in the television show?  First I am going to show you a chart on how Aes Sedai are grouped. 


Each Ajah performed a specific task kind of like a specialty.  Melisandre IMO would have most likely chosen the Green Ajah. To me her primary purpose is to ensure that the fight against the Great Other whose name may not be spoken, the Lord of Darkness, the Soul of Ice, the God of Night and Terror is defeated in the Great Battle to come.


Why Aes Sedai generally don’t get married:

The Tower Library was the largest in the known world, containing copies of almost every book that had ever been printed, but this was unsuitable for a noviceAccepted were granted a little leeway—by that time, you knew that you would watch a husband age and die, and your children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren, while you changed not at all—but novices were quietly discouraged from thinking about men or love, and kept away from men entirely.

All sisters could heal but not as effectively as the members of the Yellow Ajah.  I believe that someone who fits this Ajah within the world of ASOIAF who is in the vicinity of the Wall is Old Nan.  I believe she has stayed on at Winterfell because she needed to look after Bran in particular but she took care of all the children and she may place a glamor on herself, making herself more agile, and go and resurrect Jon Snow most likely at Melisandre’s behest. 

The Wall
Old Nan looking after Bran
Winterfell
Below are excerpts taken from ASOIAF that has always led me to believe that Old Nan is older than what she actually appears:

“I hate your stupid stories.”

The old woman smiled at him toothlessly. “My stories? No, my little lord, not mine. The stories are, before me and after me, before you too.”


She was a very ugly old woman, Bran thought spitefully; shrunken and wrinkled, almost blind, too weak to climb stairs, with only a few wisps of white hair left to cover a mottled pink scalp. No one really knew how old she was, but his father said she’d been called Old Nan even when he was a boy. She was the oldest person in Winterfell for certain, maybe the oldest person in the Seven Kingdoms. Nan had come to the castle as a wet nurse for a Brandon Stark whose mother had died birthing him. He had been an older brother of Lord Rickard, Bran’s grandfather, or perhaps a younger brother, or a brother to Lord Rickard’s father. Sometimes Old Nan told it one way and sometimes another. In all the stories the little boy died at three of a summer chill, but Old Nan stayed on at Winterfell with her own children. She had lost both her sons to the war when King Robert won the throne, and her grandson was killed on the walls of Pyke during Balon Greyjoy’s rebellion. Her daughters had long ago married and moved away and died. All that was left of her own blood was Hodor, the simpleminded giant who worked in the stables, but Old Nan just lived on and on, doing her needlework and telling her stories.

Old Nan
“I don’t care whose stories they are,” Bran told her, “I hate them.” He didn’t want stories and he didn’t want Old Nan. He wanted his mother and father. He wanted to go running with Summer loping beside him. He wanted to climb the broken tower and feed corn to the crows. He wanted to ride his pony again with his brothers. He wanted it to be the way it had”

The one thing I never understood was Old Nan telling Bran that her stories were “before you too”.  Why did she say that?  For all intents and purposes she is older than Bran so why would she need to say that?  I believe that she knows who Bran actually is (Bran is all the famous Bran's throughout Westerosi History).  Her description is that of an Aes Sedai when it comes to her long life.  Hodor is her great grandson.

Hodor
Did she really smell the red comet. Everyone had their guesses as to what the comet meant but it seemed she got it right. Most likely because she lived when dragons flew the skies.  I believe that she is much older than Melisandre is.

The Red Comet as seen over The Red Waste, The North & Dragonstone
Though Old Nan did not think so, and she’d lived longer than any of them. “Dragons,” she said, lifting her head and sniffing. She was near blind and could not see the comet, yet she claimed she could smell it. “It be dragons, boy,” she insisted. Bran got no princes from Nan, no more than he ever had.


Mother of Dragons


I believe that most, if not all, of the woods witches are women like Melisandre who have lived extremely long lives.

Below are the Ajah's and who I would place in them.


Sam
Maester Aemon
Green Ajah: Melisandre; Night's Watch; Barristan Selmy

Night's Watch - practice in the yard
Barristan Selmy
Blue Ajah: Stannis; Brienne; Azor Ahai

Stannis
Brienne
Yellow Ajah: Old Nan; Thoros of Myr; Talisa Maegyr; most Maesters

Thoros of Myr
Talisa Maegyr (Rob's wife)
Red Ajah: Cersei

Cersei
White Ajah: Maester Marwyn


Varys & Lady Olenna Tyrell
Black Ajah: Littlefinger

Littlefinger
Whom would you place in the various Ajah's and why?

Comments encouraged.  Love to hear the idea’s of others.  Most believe that since I present my idea’s as “fact like” I’m not open to change my viewpoints which is far from the truth.  I simply look at the information presented and go from there.  If you can shine a light on another way of thinking that opens the door to debate.

12 comments:

  1. Did anyone other than me think that the guy hiding in the shadows as Tyrion and Varys are walking was Hizdahr zo Loraq? Varys was talking about his little birds singing a song about who the leader of the "Son of the Harpy" was and he immediately sprang to mind. Reading the books I always thought it was him anyways. He was stabbed but did we see him die?

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  2. After I wrote this post I kept thinking about Hodor. He says that to everything and nothing else. What if the Game of Thrones is doing something else similar to that in the Wheel of Time when it comes to the Mask of Mirrors. What if Hodor is actually speaking intelligently and we only hear "Hodor". In TWOT the Mask of Mirrors has also been used to affect what a person is saying into making the listener hear something else entirely. So did Hodor stumble onto Old Nan's secret and she glamored him in this way to protect her secret knowing that she had to be in place to guide Bran?

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  3. Another thing that makes Melisandre similar to an Aes Sedai is that heat and cold do no seem to affect them. They do not sweat in the heat or appear to be cold in the dead of winter. See examples from each book below:

    TWOT: “As for the cold, neither cold nor heat touched sisters the way it did other people.”

    ASOIAF: “The wind got in amongst Melisandre’s long red robes and sent them flapping against Jon’s legs as he stood beside her. “You are not cold, my lady?” he asked her.
    She laughed. “Never.” The ruby at her throat seemed to pulse, in time with the beating of her heart. “The Lord’s fire lives within me, Jon Snow. Feel.” She put her hand on his cheek, and held it there while he felt how warm she was. “That is how life should feel,” she told him. “Only death is cold.”



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  4. Varys also kind of fits into the Blue Ajah as they have the most extensive eye-and-ears network. Varys has his little birds and there are mentions in ASOIAF by several characters that reminds me of TWOT:

    “It might be safest if I went on ahead,” he told Poole. “I will take my daughters and a few guardsmen. The rest of you can follow when you are ready. Inform Jory, but tell no one else, and do nothing until the girls and I have gone. The castle is full of eyes and ears, and I would rather my plans were not known.”

    “My late husband loved the forest too.” In the early years of their marriage, Robert was forever imploring her to hunt with him, but Cersei had always begged off. His hunting trips allowed her time with Jaime. Golden days and silver nights. It was a dangerous dance that they had danced, to be sure. Eyes and ears were everywhere within the Red Keep, and one could never be certain when Robert would return. Somehow the peril had only served to make their times together that much more thrilling. “Still, beauty can sometimes mask deadly danger,” she warned the little queen. “Robert lost his life in the woods.”

    “Her son had looked at her unhappily. “There is no one else. I cannot go myself. Your father’s too ill. The Blackfish is my eyes and ears, I dare not lose him. Your brother I need to hold Riverrun when we march—”

    “When he was done, the eunuch made a little clucking sound. “I will do as my lord commands, of course . . . but I must warn you, the kitchens are full of eyes and ears.”

    “The castle yard was full of eyes and ears. To escape them, they sought out Darry’s godswood. There were no sparrows there, only trees bare and brooding, their black branches scratching at the sky. A mat of dead leaves crunched beneath their feet.”

    “Bran that he understood their quorks and squawks. They are his eyes and ears. They scout for him, and whisper to him of dangers ahead and behind.”

    “So I had my own eyes and ears in that host. They kept me well informed. I know who you are. I know what you are. Now answer my question. Why do you love the Starks?”

    “Gladly … but if we may beg the queen’s indulgence, is there some place with fewer eyes and ears?”
    Games within games. “As you wish. Skahaz, clear my court.”



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  5. I just thought back to when Lan and Moiraine first met and how they were met on the road with men trying to kill them with arrows. It reminded me of what may go down at Castle Black in the TV show S06E02.

    “He twisted in his saddle, half reining his stallion around, and suddenly grunted, his eyes growing wide. For an instant, she did not understand. Then she saw the arrowhead sticking out from the front of his right shoulder.”

    “Without thought, she embraced the Source, and saidar filled her. It was as though she were back in the testing again. Her weaves flashed into being, first of all a clear shield of Air to block any more arrows away from Lan, then one for herself. She could not have said why she wove them in that order. With the Power in her and her sight sharpened, she scanned the trees where the arrow had come from, and caught motion just inside the edge of the forest. Flows of Air lashed out to seize the man just as he loosed again, the shaft going up at an angle as his bow was snapped tight against his body. Just heartbeats, that all took, beginning to end, as fast as anything she had woven in testing. Just enough time for two arrows fired by Ryne and Bukama to strike home.”

    Will Melisandre shield Davos and crew before shielding herself from arrows when Ser Allister and crew try to get to them?


    This also got me thinking about healing. I still believe that the TV show and the book version of Jon Snow being healed will be different. Will they take Jon Snow home to where I believe Old Nan could be where she will do something similar to what Moiraine did for Lan.

    Below is how Moiraine healed Lan:

    “Ryne hurried back to the road while Bukama helped Lan off with his coat and shirt, revealing a puckered hole in his front. Likely the one behind was no better. The blood that had been soaking into coat and shirt began to pour freely down his chest and ribs. Neither man asked for Healing, and she was of half a mind not to offer it. More scars decorated Lan than she expected on a man so young, and a number of partly healed wounds crossed by neat dark stitches. Seemingly, he angered men as easily as he did women. Ryne returned carrying bandaging cloths and mouthing bread for a poultice. None of them were going to ask for Healing until the man bled to death!”

    “Will you accept Healing?” she asked coldly, reaching toward Lan’s head. He shied back from her touch. He shied back!

    “Day after tomorrow in Chachin, you may need your right arm,” Bukama muttered, scrubbing a hand under his nose and not meeting anyone’s eyes. A very peculiar thing to say, but she knew there was no point in asking what it meant.

    After a moment, Lan nodded and leaned forward. That was all. He did not ask or even accept her offer. He just leaned forward.”

    “She clapped her hands on his head in something near to a pair of slaps and channeled. The convulsion when the Healing weave hit him, arms flinging wide, ripped him out of her grasp. Very satisfying. Even if he did only breathe hard rather than gasp. His old scars remained, the half-healed wounds were now thin pink lines—the stitches that had been on the outside, now loose, slid down his arms and chest; he might have difficulty picking out the rest—but smooth skin marked where the arrowholes had been. He could meet the wasps in perfect health. She could always Heal him again afterward, if need be. Only if need be, however.”

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  6. I always thought that Varys was more than he appears to be. It got me to thinking about Egg from the Dunk and Egg series. How he kept his hair cut and wore a hat so as not to give away his heritage. Could Varys have done the same thing? Is he bald for a reason? We know he was bought by a man so that he could be used in a blood sacrifice of his parts and then just discarded. He was a mummor/actor so he could also be wearing contacts of sorts.

    Where I was going with this is we see a preview for S06E02 where it looks as if Tyrion is going to come face to face with the 2 dragons locked in the pit. I have always thought that Tyrion was a Targaryen but just because you are a Targaryen doesn't mean you can't get burned. What if Varys steps in at the last second and pushes Tyrion out of the way and he is the one that gets burned instead of Tyrion? What would be the implications of that. I do believe that Tyrion will get burnt however and it will let the audience know that he is a Targaryen because those who haven't read the books will immediately think back to Dany and how she wasn't burnt so they will make the connection right away.

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  7. Having a week between episodes is too long. I start looking at every little detail of the previous episode.

    So this got me to thinking about this excerpt from the book:

    “With a smile and swirl of scarlet skirts, she was gone. Only her scent lingered after. That, and the torch. Davos lowered himself to the floor of the cell and wrapped his arms about his knees. The shifting torchlight washed over him. Once Melisandre’s footsteps faded away, the only sound was the scrabbling of rats. Ice and fire, he thought. Black and white. Dark and light. Davos could not deny the power of her god. He had seen the shadow crawling from Melisandre’s womb, and the priestess knew things she had no way of knowing. She saw my purpose in her flames. It was good to learn that Salla had not sold him, but the thought of the red woman spying out his secrets with her fires disquieted him more than he could say. And what did she mean when she said that I had served her god and would serve him again? He did not like that either.”

    So what does it mean that Davos "had served her god and would servfe him again?" Could Melisandre be Sheira Seastar and she be "The Red Star" and it not reference the comet at all.

    Could Davos server the Lord of Light and become one of priest and he be the one that brings Jon Snow back to life after Melisandre sacrifices herself for him (When the Red Star bleeds)?

    “The Dothraki named the comet shierak qiya, the Bleeding Star.”


    Melisandre's description:

    “Maester,” said Lady Melisandre, her deep voice flavored with the music of the Jade Sea. “You ought take more care.” As ever, she wore red head to heel, a long loose gown of flowing silk as bright as fire, with dagged sleeves and deep slashes in the bodice that showed glimpses of a darker bloodred fabric beneath. Around her throat was a red gold choker tighter than any maester’s chain, ornamented with a single great ruby. Her hair was not the orange or strawberry color of common red-haired men, but a deep burnished copper that shone in the light of the torches. Even her eyes were red . . . but her skin was smooth and white, unblemished, pale as cream. Slender she was, graceful, taller than most knights, with full breasts and narrow waist and a heart-shaped face. Men’s eyes that once found her did not quickly look away, not even a maester’s eyes. Many called her beautiful. She was not beautiful. She was red, and terrible, and red.”


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  8. Shiera Seastar's description (not in books from a GRRM interview):

    March 07, 2006
    SHIERA SEASTAR
    [Note: The following continues GRRM's series of descriptions of notable Targaryens (and Targaryen bastards) for Amoka.]

    Lady Shiera was the natural daughter of King Aegon IV by the ninth and last of his mistresses, Lady Serenei of Lys, the last daughter of an ancient but impoverished line of Valyrian nobility. "Sweet Serenei," Aegon called her, but about his court she was considered cold and haughty, and some said that she was much older than the king, and preserved her beauty by the practice of dark arts. Considered by many the most lovely of Aegon's mistresses, Sweet Serenei died in childbed, bringing forth the last of the king's "Great Bastards," the daughter she named Shiera, Star of the Sea.

    Shiera was born with one dark blue eye and one bright green one, but the singers said that this flaw only accentuated her loveliness. She was the greatest beauty of her age, a slender and elegant woman, slim of waist and full of breast. She had the silver-gold hair of the Targaryens, thick and curling, and wore it very long. At some points in her life it fell well below her waist, almost to the back of her knees. She had a heart-shaped face, full lips, and her mismatched eyes were strangely large and full of mischief; her rivals said she used them to melt men's hearts. Even at an early age, she was a great reader. She spoke a dozen tongues and surrounded herself with ancient scrolls. Like her mother, she was reputed to practice the dark arts. Though she never wed, she had many offers, and several lovers through the years. Duels were fought over the right to sit beside her, men killed themselves after falling from her favor, poets outdid each other writing songs about her beauty. Her most ardent admirer was her half-brother, Bloodraven, who proposed marriage to her half a hundred times. Shiera gave him her bed, but never her hand. It amused her more to make him jealous.

    As to how to paint her... she was fond of ivory and lace and cloth-of-silver (but not gold, which she considered too vulgar). Her favorite piece of jewelry was a heavy silver necklace of emeralds and star sapphires, alternating.

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  9. Will we learn that Melisandre is Shiera Seastar? Is she the long lost love of the Three-eyed crow (Brynden Rivers) aka Bloodraven? Will we see this in a flashback with him and Bran?

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  10. So according to Melisandre the prophecy goes as follows: “When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone”

    Everyone believes that the red comet is the red star bleeding but the Dothraki named the coment shierak qiya, the Bleeding Star.” If you take away the letter k you have Shiera which could be Melisandre’s true name. You throw in a battle that is about to ensue and she takes a mortal arrow wound that will eventually take her life but she uses her power to protect Ser Davos and the men in the room from Ser Allister and the Nights Watch until Dolorous Edd returns with the Wildlings and saves the day. After Tormund Giantsbane leads the Wildlings back to Castle Black and secure it they bring a dying Melisandre to Ser Davos and the prophecy comes together. Melisandre aka “the Red Woman” aka Shiera whose name means “Star of the Sea” lays there bleeding and dying “the red star bleeds.” The “darkness gathers” could mean the “black brothers” gathering to kill the men in the room where Jon Snow body now lies.

    “Then Bowen Marsh stood there before him, tears running down his cheeks. “For the Watch.” He punched Jon in the belly. When he pulled his hand away, the dagger stayed where he had buried it.

    Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger’s hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. “Ghost,” he whispered.”

    Bowen Marsh’s tears could account for the “salt” and Jon’s wounds could account for the “smoke.” Ser Davos approaches Melisandre and she whispers something in his ear and then he gives last rights to Jon Snow whose soul transfers back from Ghost into his body and he is reborn. Melisandre glimpses Jon rise smiles then dies knowing her sacrifice was worth it. Ser Davos serves her god again as she saw in her flames.

    This is just my interpretation of what could happen in Season 6 episode 2 in light of the Shiera Seastar connetion. With all that said the previous years DVD cartoon history always seem to play into the next season. Shiera and Bloodraven could be Rhaenyra and Aegon II Targaryen of the present day when speaking of the “Dance of Dragons.”

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