Potential Spoilers Below
Jon Snow: Do The Prophecies Make the Man?
Jon Snow |
TWOT: How Myrddraal swords
are made
Myrddraal |
One of the forgers emerged, a thick slow moving
man shape that seemed hacked out of the mountain. The forgers were not truly
alive; carried any distance from Shayol Ghul, they turned to stone, or dust.
Nor were they smiths as such; they made nothing but the swords. This one’s two
hands held a sword blade in long tongs, a blade already quenched, pale like
moonlit snow. Alive or not, the forger took care as it dipped the gleaming
metal into the dark stream. Whatever semblance of life it had could be ended by
the touch of that water. When the metal came out again, it was dead black. But
the making was not done yet. The forger shuffled back inside, and
suddenly a man’s voice raised a desperate shout.
“No! No! NO!” He shrieked
then, the sound dwindling away without losing intensity, as though the screamer
had been yanked into unimaginably far distance. Now the blade was done.
Once more a forger appeared — perhaps the
same, perhaps another — and hauled the woman to her feet. Woman, babe and child
began to wail, but the infant was pulled away and shoved into the girl’s arms.
At last the woman found a scrap of resistance. Weeping, she kicked wildly,
clawed at the forger. It paid no more mind than stone would have. The woman’s
cries vanished as soon as she was inside. The hammers began ringing again,
drowning the sobs of the children.
One blade made, one making, and two to come. Demandred had never
before seen fewer than fifty prisoners waiting to give their mite to the Great Lord of the Dark.
The Great Lord of the Dark |
The Myrddraal swords were not complete until a human was
sacrificed and given up to the making of the blade.
ASOIAF: The Legend of how
Lightbringer was made
“Burnt,” said Salladhor Saan, “and be glad
of that, my friend. Do you know the tale of the forging of Lightbringer? I
shall tell it to you. It was a time when darkness lay heavy on the world. To
oppose it, the hero must have a hero’s blade, oh, like none that had ever been.
And so for thirty days and thirty nights Azor Ahai labored sleepless in the
temple, forging a blade in the sacred fires. Heat and hammer and fold, heat and
hammer and fold, oh, yes, until the sword was done. Yet when he plunged it into
water to temper the steel it burst asunder.
Salladhor Saan |
“Being a hero, it was not for him to shrug
and go in search of excellent grapes such as these, so again he began. The
second time it took him fifty days and fifty nights, and this sword seemed even
finer than the first. Azor Ahai captured a lion, to temper the blade by
plunging it through the beast’s red heart, but once more the steel shattered
and split. Great was his woe and great was his sorrow then, for he knew what he
must do.
“A hundred days and a hundred nights he
labored on the third blade, and as it glowed white-hot in the sacred fires, he
summoned his wife. ‘Nissa Nissa,’ he said to her, for that was her name, ‘bare
your breast, and know that I love you best of all that is in this world.’ She
did this thing, why I cannot say, and Azor Ahai thrust the smoking sword
through her living heart. It is said that her cry of anguish and ecstasy left a
crack across the face of the moon, but her blood and her soul and her strength
and her courage all went into the steel. Such is the tale of the forging of
Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes.
Azor Ahai tempering Lightbringer through the heart of Nissa Nissa |
TWOT: The Dragon Reborn was the
reincarnated soul of Lews Therin Telamon
Lews Therin Telamon |
“Sammael
had not come to talk about al’Thor, yet ice formed at the base of his spine.
Thoughts he had forced himself to dismiss came oozing back. Al’Thor was not
Lews Therin, but al’Thor was Lews Therin’s soul reborn, as Lews Therin himself
had been the rebirth of that soul. Sammael was neither philosopher nor
theologian, yet Ishamael had been both, and he claimed to have divined secrets
hidden in that fact. Ishamael had died mad, true, but even when he was still
sane, back when it seemed they surely would drive Lews Therin Telamon to
defeat, he
claimed this struggle had gone on since the Creation, an endless war between
the Great Lord and the Creator using human surrogates.”
“Lews
Therin had—upon discovering that he’d killed all that he loved—drawn upon the
One Power and destroyed himself, creating Dragonmount in the process.” Lews Therin was known as the Lord of the Morning.
The
Karaethon Cycle contains the Prophecies of the Dragon, which are believed to
detail how the Dragon will be Reborn and what his coming will mean for both the
Light and the Shadow. They consist of a collection of Foretellings from before,
during, and after the War of Power. Many are vague and can only be understood
in hindsight. Most people avoid them, and they are banned in many lands.
Rand was born on the slopes
of Dragonmount in 978, at the end of
the Aiel War. He is the child of Janduin and Tigraine. Tam al'Thor found him
there and brought him back to Emond's Field and raised him as his own son. He
believed his mother was Kari al'Thor.
Kari died when Rand was five years old.
In the year 998 Trollics attack Rand’s farm and Tam is badly
wounded. During his fever rantings Rand
learns the truth and discovers that Tam is not his real father.
Tam finds Rand on the slopes of Dragonmount |
The sword Callandor was a
crystal sword and is sometimes called the Sword that Cannot Be Touched or Sword
That is Not a Sword referencing the wards that are placed around it so that it
can only be wielded by the Dragon Reborn.
ASOIAF: Will it be revealed that Jon Snow is a reincarnated soul?
Since
everything hasn’t been revealed most of this is simply my theory with a little
of what has been written. What you need
to know is there a lost book called Signs and Portents. They are the visions written down by Daenys the
maiden daughter of Aenar Targaryen before the Doom came to Valyria. It seems that pages of that book pop up from
time to time.
“As a young boy, the Prince of
Dragonstone was bookish to a fault. He was reading so early that men said Queen Rhaella must have swallowed some books and a candle whilst he was in her womb.
Rhaegar took no interest in the play of other children. The maesters were awed
by his wits, but his father’s knights would jest sourly that Baelor the Blessed
had been born again. Until one day Prince Rhaegar found something in his scrolls
that changed him. No one knows what it might have been, only that
the boy suddenly appeared early one morning in the yard as the knights were
donning their steel. He walked up to Ser Willem Darry, the master-at-arms, and
said, ‘I will
require sword and armor. It seems I must be a warrior.’”
Dragonstone |
Rhaegar |
I
believe that the scrolls that he read that day told him of events to come
concerning himself, Lyanna Stark, Ser Arthur Dayne, Jon Snow and the events
that could save their world. At the end
of the War of the Usurper, at the Tower of Joy, Lyanna Stark died and I believe
that she gave
birth to Jon Snow who I believe was the reincarnated soul of Ser Arthur Dayne
who was known as the Sword of the Morning; whom I believe died
shortly before Jon Snow was born. I
believe all this will be brought to light by Bran Stark as we see the truth
through his visions as he travels through time via the Weirwood trees.
Rhaegar crowning Lyanna the Queen of Love and Beauty |
Ser Arthur Dayne wielding Dawn |
Bran Stark |
Weirwood Tree |
Are not the prophecies in
ASOIAF vague like the Karaethon Cycle Prophecies concerning the Dragon in
TWOT? I also believe that some of the prophecies
in ASOIAF come from the Children of the Forest and are similar to the Dark Prophecies in TWOT.
Leaf - one of the Children of the Forest |
TWOT:
How Rand’s parents died
“Was.
So he was dead now, too. Egwene wore sympathy on her face. Rand ignored it; he
did not want sympathy. How could he feel loss, for people he had never known?
Yet he did. “How did Janduin die?”
The Wise Ones exchanged hesitant glances. At last Amys said, "It was the beginning of the third year of the search for Laman when Shaiel found herself with child. by the laws, she should have returned to the Threefold Land. A Maiden is forbidden to carry the spear "while she carries a child. but Janduin could forbid her nothing; had she asked the moon on a necklace, he would have tried to give it to her. So she stayed, and in the last fight, before Tar Valon, she was lost, and the child was lost. Janduin could not forgive himself for not making her obey the law.
Three Wise Ones Amys, Bair and Melaine |
Laman |
Maiden of the Spear |
He gave up his place as clan chief," Bair said. "No one had ever done that before. He was told it could not be done, but he simply walked away. He went north with the young men, to hunt Trollocs and Myrddraal in the Blight. It is a thing wild young men do, and Maidens with less sense than goats. Those who returned said he was killed by a man, though. They said Janduin claimed this man looked like Shaiel, and he would not raise his spear when the man ran him through."
Trollocs |
Dead, then. Both dead. He would never lose his love for Tam, never stop thinking of him as father, but he wished he could have seen Janduin and Shaiel, just once."
Rand's father, an Aiel clan chief, would not kill Luc because he
looked so much like his wife Tigraine or Shaiel her Aiel name. He sacrificed
himself
and let Luc kill him because of that fact alone. His mother Tigraine gave birth to him and
then she dies on the slopes of Dragonmount.
Rand is
born at the same place that Lews Therin, the Lord of the Morning, who is Rand’s
reincarnated soul died.
Tigraine’s personal sigil was a woman's hand gripping a thorny rose-stem with a white
blossom.
ASOIAF:
How Jon Snow’s parents died?
I
believe that Rhaegar loved Lyanna and she was pregnant with his child. Could Rhaegar have walked away from being the heir to the throne? I also
believe that Rhaegar knew that he would lose his life on the Trident to Robert Baratheon because he read it in the scrolls that fateful day. Rhaegar and Ser Arthur Dayne were best
friends and I believe that the part of the prophecy that concerned his friend
told him to lay down his life for the man who resembled or was the brother of
the woman that Rhaegar loved. I believe Howland Reed saved Ned’s life by
identifying him or calling out his name at a critical point in the fight
between the two. So the question is did he know when the following occurred?
Robert kill Rhaegar on the Trident |
“They
were seven against three.
“And now it
begins,” said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He
unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass,
alive with light.
They were seven against three |
“No,”
Ned said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.” As they came together in a
rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming.
I believe that Ned was losing
but after Ser Arthur Dayne became aware of whom Ned was he sacrificed himself
because of the implications to the world of his killing this man. He gave up his life shortly before Lyanna gave birth and
his soul was reincarnated into her child.
Lyanna
is always associated with blue winter roses or blue rose petals.
Ser Arthur Dayne and Ned Stark |
The
sword Dawn that Ser Arthur Dayne wielded isn’t like Valyrian Steel swords as it
is said that it was made from a falling star.
It has similar characteristics of Valyrian Steel although it appears
milky white. It also isn’t passed from
father to son like Valyrian Steel swords but is only passed to those in House Dayne who are considered worthy to wield it. Who else better to become the new Sword of
the Morning than the man whose soul was the previous wielder? I believe that the Last Hero or Azor Ahai were Dayne’s
also. I believe that Azor Ahai was the first of a line of many
reincarnated souls to wield the sword Dawn in the Dayne family line.
Valyrian Steel sword Long Claw |
TWOT: Oh Uncle
where art thou?
Rand learns that his real
mothers name is Tigraine and that his uncle Luc went missing under mysterious
circumstances. Around 971 NE, Gitara Moroso, because of one of her
fortellings, convinces Lord Luc that the outcome of Tarmon Gai’don
or the Last Battle depends upon him going to the Blight and he disappears and
is presumed dead. According to the Dark
Prophecy, Luc meets Isam in the Mountains of Dhoom. One lives and one dies but both are. Luc and Isam are merged into a single being
and given special powers by the Great Lord.
Luc has orders to kill his nephew Rand.
Gitara Moroso |
ASOIAF: Oh Uncle
where art thou?
Jon Snow will learn his
mother is Lyanna. He already knows that is uncle Benjen Stark is missing under
mysterious circumstances and is presumed dead. Remember that
book Signs and
Portenets? I believe that
Benjen Stark also read one of those pages that referenced both himself and Jon
Snow. I believe that he joined the
Night's Watch as a result of this prophecy and he is out there right now being
sculpted for what is to come for the good or bad it is yet to be seen. I also believe that he is a product of two
characters from TWOT, Luc Mantear and Logaine Ablar which I will discuss in
another blog. Will Benjen be given orders to kill Jon?
Benjen Stark |
Men of the Night's Watch |
TWOT: Titles and other names that refer
to Lews Therin Telamon
(the original Dragon) during the Age of Legends
Lord
of the Morning
Prince
of the Dawn
The
Dragon
Kinslayer
The
Promised One
Champion
of the Light
ASOIAF: Titles that other names that
refer to Azor Ahai During the Age of Heroes
Sword
of the Morning; I believe that Azor Ahai was a Dayne ancestor
Kinslayer;
He killed Nissa Nissa his wife as Lews Therin killed his wife
The
Lights Champion or The Lord of Lights Champion
TWOT: Titles that refer to Rand Al’Thor;
The Dragon Reborn
The
Dragon Reborn
Shepard. Rand is a Shepard from Emmonds field.
The
Car'a'carn ("Chief
of chiefs" in the Old Tongue) is the Aiel term for the one who
will lead all Aiel, in accordance with the Prophecy of Rhuidean. They also called him “He Who Comes With The Dawn.” He is called the latter because when he made
his trek to Rhuidean he came back at dawn.
The Car'a'carn |
Aiel |
Rhuidean |
The
Coramoor is the Sea Folk's version of the Dragon Reborn. He is mentioned in The
Jendai Prophecies which are the Sea Folk's version of the Prophecies of the
Dragon. They believe that the Coramoor
is predicted by the Jendai Prophecy to lead them to greater glory, including
domination of all the seas of the land. Rand al'Thor, who is also the Dragon
Reborn and the Car'a'carn of the Aiel, is believed to be the fulfillment of
that prophecy. The Sea Folk will serve the Coramoor in any way they can, but
no-one agrees on exactly how the Bargain should pan out.
Sea Folk |
He
is known as Shadowkiller to the wolves
ASOIAF: Titles that I believe refer to
Jon Snow; Azor Ahai come again
Azor
Ahai; since Jon is a Targaryen that would make him a dragon; Remember that line
“The Dragon has three heads”? I believe
that Jon fits that perfectly as he is a Targaryen, a Stark and a Dayne via his
reincarnated soul. He is also the
overall book title IMO, A Song of Ice and Fire.
Ice via his mother and fire via his father.
The Great Shepherd is the deity worshiped by the Lhazareen, mirroring the
importance of shepherding in Lhazareen culture. Its worship is largely
restricted to Lhazar itself. The worship of the Great Shepherd includes the
presence of "godwives" or priestesses, such as the maegi Mirri Maz Duur.
Mirri Maz Duur |
The Stallion Who Mounts the World is a prophecy in the Dothraki religion. According
to the prophecy, the Stallion is the "khal of khals" who will unite all the
Dothraki under his single khalasar and ride to the ends of the earth. The
prophecy states that "he will be the khal of khals, and all the people of
the world will be his herd." This
one is a bit tricky and may apply to Dany.
Dothraki khalasar |
Dany |
“Khaleesi,” Cohollo said
to her, in Dothraki. “Drogo, who is blood of my blood, commands me to tell you
that he must ascend the Mother of Mountains this night, to sacrifice to the
gods for his safe return.”
Drogo |
Only men were allowed to
set foot on the Mother, Dany knew. The khal’s bloodriders would go with him,
and return at
dawn”.
Both Dany and Jon share
characteristics of Rand al’Thor and Dany may be the one to ascend the Mountain
and return at dawn, making her “She Who Comes With The Dawn.”
The Drowned God is the deity worshiped on the Iron Islands. Together with the
North, where the worship of the Old Gods of the Forest remains strong, the Iron
Islands is one of the few regions in Westeros not abiding by the main religion
of the Seven Kingdoms, the Faith of the Seven.
Iron Islands |
The Seven Kingdoms |
Will we learn through Bran
that the direwolves also have a name for Jon?
Direwolf - Ghost |
TWOT: The Dragon is Reborn
“At
Falme, the shepherd boy had burned, his ashes scattered and blown away by those
ocean winds. From those ashes, the Dragon Reborn had risen.”
Ishamael and Rand al'Thor battle in the sky over Falme |
ASOIAF: Azor Ahai is Reborn
Falme
is the location where the Dragon Reborn was shown to have risen again. Flame is an anagram of Falme and I believe it
will be through Melisandre’s red “flames” that Jon Snow will arise from the dead
as Azor Ahai. See my blog page on how
Jon Snow will rise again:
Melisandre staring into her flames |
TWOT:
Who’s got Rand’s back?
In TWOT there is a
character named Min who has viewings when she looks at certain people. Her viewings always come true. She saw the following when she looked at Rand
talking about his friend Perrin:
“And something else I saw
when you were together. Twice he’s going to have to be there, or you... ” She
peered into her goblet so he could not see her face. “If he’s not, something
bad will happen to you.” Her voice sounded small and frightened. “Very bad.”
Perrin while in the wolf
dream twice was able to thwart attacks that would have killed Rand had he not
been there.
She
also had the following vision about Moiraine who was presumed killed by Lanfear
one of the forsaken:
Moiraine |
Lanfear |
The Forsaken |
“What good to tell him he
would almost certainly fail without a woman who was dead and gone?”
Moiraine
helped Rand discover that he was indeed the Dragon Reborn. It turned out that she wasn’t dead and
returned just in time to help Rand rally those who stood against him to his
side.
ASOIAF:
Who will have Jon’s back?
I
won’t go into it here but to me this one is simple. Who has the characteristics of Perrin in
ASOIAF? Bran does of course. I believe he will also have a green dream
similar to Min’s vision about Jon and he will be able to be there for Jon twice
also saving his life. As we learned from
Jojen Reed green dreams always come to pass.
Jojen Reed |
I
believe Melisandre to be the Moiraine characters in ASOIAF. She will lead him to the truth as to who he
truly is when she brings him back from the dead and be there towards the end
when he needs her the most. Will she
like Moiraine be presumed dead?
TWOT: Abilities gained from past lives
“Rand barely heard the
voice in his head. Suddenly he knew he did not have to describe Kisman and the
others. He could draw them so well that anyone would recognize the faces.
Except, he had never been able to draw in his life. Lews Therin could, though.
That should have frightened him. It should have.”
“The
Asha'man Naeff—standing beside Bashere—gasped. "I've never seen so many
weaves at once," he whispered. "I can't track them all. He's a storm.
A storm of Light and streams of Power!”
An Asha'man |
Davram Bashere and his wife Deira |
“What
had that been? He crossed the room, the others—including several of Bashere's
officers—following. Many others stayed in the room, however, staring out at the
field that had been cleansed by ice and by fire.”
“Rand,”
she said slowly, “you did all that, killed one man and faced another, and ...
Rand, I didn’t feel anything. In the bond, I mean. No fear, no anger. Not even
concern! Nothing.”
“I wasn’t angry with him.”
Shaking his head, he began shoving clothes into the hamper again. “He just
needed killing, that’s all. And why would I be afraid?”
“Fire and ice, and death was coming.
But he was steel. He was steel.” – Rand’s thoughts to himself
ASOIAF:
What abilities will Jon gain?
I
believe that the Jon will gain the ability to fight and become the greatest
swordsman in their world because of him now being the Sword of the
Morning. Killing won’t be something that
he wants to do but something he has do in order to save their world. Since there is a supernatural force also in
this world I believe that Jon will rediscover ancient magic that will make him
even more powerful. He will be Fire and Ice through his parentage
and become death through his connection with Azor Ahai.
What
else will we learn about Ser Arthur Dayne and Azor Ahai that Jon will be able
to draw upon?
TWOT:
Rand heard voices
“He
was Lews Therin reborn, the Dragon Reborn, no denying that, but everybody was
someone reborn, a hundred someones, a thousand, more. That was how the Pattern
worked; everyone again as the Wheel turned, forever without end. But nobody
else talked with who they used to be. Nobody else had voices in their heads.
Except madmen.”
“Stop
them from having to live over and over again. Why? Why had the Creator done
this to them? Why?
Why
do we live again? Lews Therin asked, suddenly. His voice was crisp and
distinct.
Yes,
Rand said, pleading. Tell me. Why?
Maybe
. . . Lews Therin said, shockingly lucid, not a hint of madness to him. He
spoke softly, reverently. Why? Could it be . . . Maybe it’s so that we can have
a second chance.”
“And
Rand opened his eyes for the first time in a very long while. He
knew—somehow—that he would never again hear Lews Therin’s “voice in his head.
For they were not two men, and never had been.”
“Rand
rode in silence for a time. "I suppose I am him. But Min, what you're missing is
this: I may be him now, but he was always me as well. I was always him. I'm not
going to change just because I remember—I was the same. I'm me. And I always
have been me.”
ASOIAF: Will Jon Snow hear the voice of
Ser Arthur Dayne in his head?
Will
Jon Snow hear the voice of Ser Arthur Dayne in his head and not tell anyone of
it because he fears that he is going mad?
Will that voice reach back as far as Azor Ahai and will he be able to
draw upon knowledge of the Age of Heroes in his fight against the true enemy
which I don’t believe to be the White Walkers?
Will Jon
come to trust that voice and realize that the voice is not separate but a part
of who he is and use it to the benefit of their entire world?
White Walker |
TWOT:
The Dragon Reborn’s anger
“What
was he? What was the Dragon Reborn? A symbol? A sacrifice? A sword, meant to
destroy? A sheltering hand, meant to protect?
A
puppet, playing a part over and over again?
He
was angry. Angry at the world, angry at the Pattern, angry at the Creator for
leaving humans to fight against the Dark One with no direction. What right did
any of them have to demand Rand’s life of him?”
ASOIAF: Jon’s anger
Jon
will go through something very similar to Rand at becoming angry at the world
for having to be the one to sacrifice everything for the world. I think this will come after he meets and
falls for Margaery and have something to live for.
Margaery |
TWOT: Min is his rock
“He
sat up straighter. "Oh, Min. What would I do without you?"
She
snorted. "You have kings and Aiel chiefs following you. Aes Sedai,
Asha'man, and ta'veren. I'm certain you'd get along."
"No,"
Rand said. "You're more vital than them all. You remind me who I am.
Besides, you think more clearly than most of those who call themselves my
counselors. You could be a queen, if you wished it.”
Min and Rand |
ASOIAF: Arya and Jon reunite
Arya
will come back and help Jon when he is at a low point. She will remind him of who he really is. She will be the one to bring him back into
focus. Although they are no longer
brother and sister they will remain as close as ever. Arya will be Jon’s truth seer in the way she
is able to read people because of the training she received in the House of Black and White. He will also remember Ned
Stark, the man who raised him as his son, and will now be the better for
it. Though he wasn’t his father he will
always think of him as such. This upbringing
will be the key to letting Jon be who he is to be.
TWOT: The “Third Voice”, who is it?
“I
thought I could build, Lews Therin murmured in his head. I was wrong. We are
not builders, not you, or I, or the other one. We are destroyers. Destroyers. Rand shivered, and scrubbed his hands through his
hair. The other
one? At times, the voice sounded sanest when it was the most mad.”
“You destroyed them
already, Lews Therin whispered in his head. Now you have someone else to
destroy, and not beforetime. How many will we three kill before the end, I wonder.”
I
have read the book series twice and can’t find a satisfactory answer as to who
the third voice whom Lews Therin speaks of.
ASOIAF: The “Third Voice”
After
reading both series multiple times I have come to believe that both of these
stories seem to complement each other. I have also come to
believe that the third voice that Lews Therin may have heard could have been
that of Azor Ahai/Jon Snow.
It’s a reach but think of the implications if I were right. No satisfactory answer has been given by
either Jordan or Sanderson who completed the series. Could Martin write the final chapter on both series?
TWOT:
The Dragon Reborn’s first defeat
“I’ve
lost, Rand thought dully. I’m the Dragon Reborn, but for the first time, I’ve
lost. Suddenly, Lews Therin raged up
inside him, sly digs forgotten. I’ve never been defeated, he snarled. I am the Lord of
the Morning! No one can defeat me!
Rand
sat in the rain, turning the Crown of Swords in his hands, looking at Callandor
lying in the mud. He let Lews Therin rage.”
ASOIAF:
Will Jon Snow face a moment where he is defeated as Azor Ahai?
Will
Jon after he accepts the truth that he is Azor Ahai reborn face a battle in which
he is defeated and face a similar revelation that the Dragon Reborn faced? I believe he will because how can you truly appreciate
victory without knowing the taste of defeat. I believe that Lightbringer will fail him in
a battle against the Others. I believe
this because of what I believe to be the accord that was struck when Azor Ahai
first encountered the Others. I believe that Jon
is destined to cleanse their ranks from the Night's King and free them from his
oppression. This to me will equate to
Rand cleansing the taint from Saidin.
TWOT: The Dragon’s Peace
As
Rand al'Thor, the Dragon Reborn, had gathered all rulers of all nations and the
leaders of all major forces of the Light at his side upon the Field of Merrilor, he intended to leave something ever-lasting behind; a
world-encircling peace treaty that would prevent any possible conflicts between
nations after his supposed demise. He had long considered a world-wide peace,
determined not to see the world fall back into simple small-minded bickering.
As
a final inclusion to ensure the enforcement of peace should any nation feel
inclined to test the boundaries of the Dragon's legacy, the Aiel were written into the treaty as
protectors of the peace. In the end, even the Seanchan agreed to the
treaty in exchange for keeping all lands they currently held this side of the
Aryth Ocean. The future of the treaty remains to be seen.
ASOIAF: A Brokered Peace
“Now
these were the days before the Andals came, and long before the women fled
across the narrow sea from the cities of the Rhoyne, and the hundred kingdoms
of those times were the kingdoms of the First Men, who had taken these lands
from the children of the forest. Yet here and there in the fastness of the
woods the children still lived in their wooden cities and hollow hills, and the
faces in the trees kept watch. So as cold and death filled the earth, the Last Hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient
magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead
lands with a sword, a horse, a dog, and a dozen companions. For years he searched,
until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest in their secret
cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog, and his sword
froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it. And the
Others smelled the hot blood in him, and came silent on his trail, stalking him
with packs of pale white spiders big as hounds—”
Had
Old Nan not been interrupted I believe she would have concluded her story
telling Bran that the Others brokered a deal with the Last Hero because they too
had green seers that told them that this man would eventually free them and so
they struck a deal and bestowed him with the sword Dawn. They knew that this man would be reborn
throughout the millennia to eventually free them from the Nights King who
was to come. Also in this deal the Others became or where the
protectors of the peace and not the grumkins and snarks that misrepresented stories have
made them out to be over the ages.
Think
of it this way. How could the Last Hero
without any help and no weapon defeat the Others if they confronted him as told
in Old Nan’s story. The story tells you
that his sword froze and the blade snapped.
I believe had he found the Children of the Forest the world would have
been doomed. Old Nan seems to be telling
these stories from a perspective that defies time.
“Thus it our treaty written; thus is
agreement made.
Thought is the arrow of time; memory never
fades.
What was asked is given. The price is
paid.”
This
was written from the perspective of another character in TWOT but I think it fits
within ASOIAF as the agreement made between the Last Hero and the Others. Memory never fades I think will end up being the fact that Jon Snow's incarnation of the Last Hero will remember the agreement and when the time
is right will fulfill that agreement. I
think that what was asked and given were Lightbringer helping him defeat the
Children of the Forest and was not used against the Others. Jon Snow will
fulfill the agreement paying the price in full.
TWOT:
He was one with the land; an exchange of gifts
“Rand closed his eyes. He could feel it,
the land itself, like a faint Warder bond. Beneath his feet, grubs crawled
through the soil. The roots of the grasses continued to spread, ever so slowly,
seeking nutrients.”
“It wasn’t a large change. Where he
trod, the turf recovered, spreading from him like a soft wave of light through
opening shutters. Men stepped back; horses stamped their hooves. Within
minutes, the entire ring of troops stood on grass that lived again.
How long had it been since she’d seen a
simple field of green? Egwene breathed out. Some of the gloom to the day had
been lightened. “I’d give good coin to know how he does that,” she murmured
under her breath.
“A weave?” Gawyn asked. “I’ve seen Aes
Sedai make flowers bloom in winter.”
“I know of no weave that would be so
extensive,” Egwene said. “It feels so natural”
“People
were walking among the massive trunks: soldiers from the various camps, staring
upward. She heard a Shienaran talking to Lord Agelmar close by. “We watched
them grow, my Lord. They burst from the ground; it took less than five minutes
for them to become so tall. I swear it, my Lord, or may I never draw blade
again.”
“Here,” Rand said. “The gift I
mentioned.” He pushed the pouch toward her.
She looked at him, curious. She untied
the strings, and took from it a small statue of a woman. She stood upright,
with a shawl about her shoulders, though she did not look like an Aes Sedai.
She had a mature face, aged and wise, with a wise look about her and a smile on
her face.
“No, a Seed.”
“A . . . seed?”
“You have the Talent of creating
ter’angreal,” Rand said. “Creating angreal requires a different process. It
begins with one of these, an object created to draw your Power and instill it
into something else. It takes time, and will weaken you for several months, so
you should not attempt it while we are at war. But when I found it, forgotten,
I thought of you. I had wondered what I could give you.”
“Oh, Rand, I have something for you as
well.” She hurried over to an ivory jewelry chest that rested on a camp table
and took a small object from it. It was a dagger with a short, dull blade and a
handle made of deerhorn wrapped in gold wire.
Rand glanced at the dagger quizzically.
“No offense, but that looks like a poor weapon, Elayne.”
“It’s a ter’angreal, something that may
be of use when you go to Shayol Ghul. With it, the Shadow cannot see you.” She
reached up to touch his face. He placed his hand on hers.
They stayed together long into the
night.”
ASOIAF: Will Jon push back winter and
if so how?
So will Jon do something similar to Rand
and make Wierwood tree’s grow or bring back crops or grass in the midst of
winter. Is there anything that we know
of within ASOIAF that may be able to do that?
Garth Gardener was a legendary King of
the First Men in the Age of Heroes. He was the founder of House Gardener and
the first King of the Reach. According to legend, Garth Greenhand wore a crown of vines and
flowers and was said to make the land bloom.
King
Garth's line ruled the Reach until the Targaryen conquest, becoming extinct
with the death of Mern IX, the last King of the Reach. Nevertheless, several of
the noble houses of the Reach, such as House Tyrell and House Florent, claim
their descent to Garth Greenhand.
First
of all let me tell you a little bit about Rand.
He was in love with three women and they were in love with him and were
willing to all be his wives. I won’t go
into too much detail about them here, as they deserve their own blogs, but I will
simply touch on the three briefly comparing them to their ASOIAF counterparts:
Aviendha: Fiery red-head with blue-green eyes who was a maiden of the spear. Said the following which I
believe to be one of the most memorable things about her counterpart:
“Go
away.” With a glance at the bracelet, she added, “You truly know nothing, do you? You know
nothing. It is not your fault.” She seemed to be repeating something
she had been told, or trying to convince herself. “I am sorry if I ruined your
meal, Rand al'Thor. Please go.”
Ygritte: Also a fiery red-head (touched by fire) with
blue-grey eyes and a spearwife. Everyone
who knows Ygritte know her most famous line:
“You
know nothing, Jon Snow.”
Min: She was named after Elmindreda, who was considered
very beautiful. She has brown hair and
dark eyes. She adamantly refused to wear
skirts or dresses and wears breeches that are tailored to show off her petite
curves. People ask her why she dresses
like boys. She has viewings that let her
see the truth into people and what will happen to them. She used those viewings to help Rand al’Thor
and his dealing with those around him.
Min |
Arya: She is said to look like her aunt Lyanna whom people
said was beautiful. She has brown hair
and grey eyes. She doesn’t like to wear
dresses and prefers to run around in breeches.
She is learning to see the truth of what people say, in her training in
the House of Black and White, and I believe she will use this to help Jon in
his dealings with those around him.
Arya |
Arya |
Elayne: is described as exceedingly beautiful, with blue eyes
like sapphires and red-gold, curly hair.
She can charm many with her pretty, dimpled smile with full red
lips. Her sigil is the Golden Lily. She met Rand when he climbed a high
wall to her palace and fell over it into the garden. She is very intelligent and learned from her
mother Queen Morgase how to rule and play the game of houses from an early age. She has two brothers Gawyn and Galad. Galad is an extremely good swordsman and is
described as extremely handsome and women swoon over him constantly. Gawyn goes on to fall in love and marry the
most powerful women in their world Egwene, the Amyrlin Seat.
Margaery: is considered beautiful, with softly curling brown
hair with large brown eyes, unblemished skin and a slender yet shapely
figure. Her sigil is a golden rose on a
green field. She is an intelligent,
shrewd and politically savvy young woman, very much the protégé of her cunning
grandmother, Lady Olenna Redwyne. She
has two brothers Willas and Loras. Loras
is a skilled knight famed for his many tournaments victories and his good
looks, which make him popular with the smallfolk and with young women in
particular. So since Margaery has
another brother who do I think he will marry?
I would say the Queen. I believe
Sansa will be the one who is younger and more beautiful who will cast Cersei
down.
As
the series progresses Jon will have loved all three women. He hasn’t met Margaery as of yet but I
believe she will be the one that he eventually will end up with but for how
long depends upon George R.R. Martin. I
believe that when Jon reaches the story arc when he feels that he may not
survive and starts giving away gifts he will bestow upon Margaery something
special and she in turn will give him the crown of vines and flowers that
belonged to Garth Greenhand which I believe to still reside at Highgarden. With the crown will Jon then be
able to duplicate what Rand does and make dead vegetation and trees bloom.
I
believe Highgarden got its name from Rand climbing the high wall and falling
into Elyane’s garden. Whether she
becomes pregnant with Jon’s child or twins as was the case with Rand and Elayne
remains to be seen. I would hope not
because where in TWOT Elayne almost has her children ripped from her womb. Martin who IMO takes the major story arcs and
punctuates them by throwing gasoline on an already raging fire would kill off Margaery in a devastating manner. In
the show it was done to Robb’s wife Talisa but for the books it just may be Margaery
who dies by having her unborn child ripped from her womb.
TWOT: Rand becomes one with who he is
“At the end of time,
when the many become one,
the last storm shall
gather its angry winds
to destroy a land already
dying.
And at its center,
the blind man shall stand
upon his own grave.
There he shall see again,
and weep for what has been
wrought.
ASOIAF: Jon returns to the site of the
Tower of Joy
Will
Jon Snow return to the what was the Tower and Joy and there come face to face
with the entire truth of who he is? Will
this take place while he is walking the land of the dead as he is now? Will he perceive it all through his reoccurring
dream, the one I believe he will finally finish in death?
TWOT:
A question asked/answered to prove he was the Dragon Reborn
“That
presumes that he is the Dragon Reborn," Tenobia said, folding her arms.
"We—"
She
cut off as Rand stood, then carefully slid Callandor from its sheath,
glittering blade rasping. He held it forth. "Do you deny this, Queen
Tenobia, Shield of the North and Sword of the Blightborder, High Seat of House Kazadi? Will
you look upon this weapon and call me a false Dragon?”
“Rand
didn't break his gaze from the monarch. "Ask your question."
"How did Tellindal Tirraso die?"
"Who?"
Min asked, looking at Cadsuane. The Aes Sedai shook her head, confused.
"How
do you know that name?" Rand demanded.
"Answer
the question," Easar said, hand on his hilt, body tense. Around them,
ranks of men prepared themselves. “She
was a clerk," Rand said. "During the Age of Legends. Demandred, when he came for me after founding
the Eighty and One . . . She fell in the fighting, lightning from the sky . . .
Her blood on my hands . . . How do you know that name!"
Ethenielle
looked to Easar, then to Tenobia, then finally to Paitar. He nodded, then
closed his eyes, letting out a sigh that sounded relieved. He took his hand
from his sword.
"Rand
al'Thor," Ethenielle said, "Dragon Reborn. Would you kindly sit down
and speak with us? We will answer your questions."
Why
have I never heard of this so-called prophecy?" Cadsuane asked. "Its
nature required secrecy," King Paitar said. They all sat on cushions in a
large tent in the middle of the Borderlander army. It made Cadsuane' shoulders
itch, being surrounded like this, but the fool boy—he would always be a fool
boy, no matter how old he was—looked perfectly at peace.
Thirteen
Aes Sedai waited outside the tent, which wasn't large enough for them all.
Thirteen. That hadn't made al'Thor blink. What man who could channel would sit
amid thirteen Aes Sedai and not sweat?
He's
changed, Cadsuane told herself. You're just going to have to accept that. Not that he didn't need her anymore. Men like him grew overly confident. A few little successes, and he'd trip over
his own feet and land in some predicament.
But.
. . well, she was proud of him. Grudgingly proud. A little.
"It was given by an Aes
Sedai of my own family line,"
Paitar continued. The square-faced man sipped a small cup of tea. "My ancestor,
Reo Myershi, was the only one who heard it. He ordered the words preserved,
passed from monarch to monarch, for this day."
"Speak
them to me," Rand said. "Please."
"I see him before
you!" Paitar quoted. "Him, the one who lives many lives, the one who
gives deaths, the one who raises mountains. He will break what he must break,
but first “he stands here, before our king. You will bloody him! Measure his
restraint. He speaks! How was the fallen slain? Tellindal Tirraso, murdered by
his hand, the darkness that came the day after the light. You must ask, and you
must know your fate. If he cannot answer . . ."
He
trailed off, falling silent.
"What?"
Min asked.
"If
he cannot answer," Paitar said, "then you will be lost. You will
bring his end swiftly, so that the final days may have their storm. So that
Light may not be consumed by he who was to have preserved it. I see him. And I
weep."
"You
came to murder him, then," Cadsuane said.
“To test him," Tenobia said. "Or so we decided, once Paitar
told us of the prophecy."
"You don't know how
close you came to doom," Rand said softly. "If I had come to you but a short time earlier, I'd
have returned those slaps with balefire."
"Inside
the Guardian?" Tenobia sniffed disdainfully. "The Guardian blocks the
One Power," Rand whispered. "The One Power only." What
does he mean by that? Cadsuane thought, frowning.
"We
knew well the risk," Ethenielle said proudly. I demanded the right to slap you first. Our
armies had orders to attack if we fell.
“My family has analyzed the words of the prophecy a hundred times
over," Paitar said. "The meaning seemed clear. It was our task to
test the Dragon Reborn. To see if he could be trusted to go to the Last
Battle."
"Only
a month earlier," Rand said. "I wouldn't have had the memories to
answer you. This was a foolish gambit. If you had killed me, then all would
have been lost."
"A
gamble," Paitar said evenly. "Perhaps another would have risen in
your stead."
"No,"
Rand said. "This prophecy was like the others. A declaration of what might
happen, not advice.”
In
TWOT at this point in the story Rand had access to “The True Power” which was
not blocked by the Guardians and he could have easily destroyed them all while
they thought they were safe against his abilities within their city.
ASOIAF: Who will ask the question and
what will it be to prove he is Azor Ahai?
I believe that someone or a
group of people in the Dayne family, and someone from the Reed family may
accompany, will confront Jon as to whether or not he is truly the Sword of the
Morning. Jon will present Lightbringer as proof as to who he is. I believe the answer to that
question, which has been passed down through the millennia, proves the legitimacy
of the man who claims he is worthy to wield the sword Dawn. I believe the question and answer has
something to do with the Last Hero encountering the Others for the first time
and how a peace was brokered between them, similar to the Dragon’s Peace in
TWOT. This I believe will occur after he
has killed his ancestor the Nights King in single combat to free the Others
from his rule of tyranny and possibly putting Benjin Stark in a position to
become the new Lord Commander of the Nights Watch like Logain became the leader
of the Black Tower. But I could see it
as his potentially becoming the leader of the Others also and getting them back
on the path of being protectors.
Will
he like Rand almost had gone to Starfall prior to his gaining Azor Ahai’s complete
memories and either he was killed for not knowing the answer or killing them
because he had not yet reached a state of maturity he needed to obtain
first?
TWOT: Rand confronts the Amyrlin Seat
“Light!"
Silviana said. "How could you think during that, Mother?"
"Something
gripped my heart," Barasine said, raising a hand to her breast,
"squeezing it tight. I didn't dare speak."
"I
tried to speak," Yukiri said. "My mouth wouldn't move.”
“Light,
Egwene. You can still do it, like the sister I never had—tie my mind in knots
and have me raving at you and loving you at the same time.”
Rand
basically confronts Egwene and tells her what he is going to do and she doesn’t
like it. The other Aes Sedai in the room
were paralyzed by his presence alone.
But being the Dragon Reborn she could do nothing to stop him.
ASOIAF: Jon confronts the Queen
I
believe that Jon will go to Sansa who will at this point in the story take up
the mantle of Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, with her king Willas Tyrell by her
side, and tell her his plans. Sansa will
not like it but she won’t have a choice either.
He will think on her fondly as the sister he once thought she was,
though now they are only cousins.
TWOT: Rand confronts the Daughter of the Nine Moons
“You
think you could stay away from me?” Rand
asked, smiling.
“You really think it would let you?”
“I could bloody try. No offense, Rand,
but you’re going to go mad and all. I figured I’d give you one less friend
nearby to kill. You know, save you some trouble. What did you do to your hand,
by the way?”
“What did you do to your eye?”
“A little accident with a corkscrew and
thirteen angry innkeepers. The hand?”
“Lost it capturing one of the Forsaken.”
“Capturing?” Mat said. “You’re growing soft.”
Rand snorted. Tell me you’ve “done
better.”
“I killed a gholam,” Mat said.
“I freed Illian from Sammael.”
“I married the Empress of the Seanchan.”
“Mat,” Rand said, “are you really trying
to get into a bragging contest with the Dragon Reborn?” He paused for a moment.
“Besides, I cleansed saidin. I win.”
Mat - The Prince of Ravens |
“Not worth much? It’s the single most
important event to happen since the Breaking.”
“Bah. You and your Asha’man are already
crazy,” Mat said, “so what does it matter?” He glanced to the side. “You look
nice, by the way.”
“Then you accept me for who I am,” Rand
said, voice growing loud, crisp. Like a battle horn. “I am Lews Therin Telamon,
the Dragon. I ruled these lands, unified, during the Age of Legends. I was
leader of all the armies of the Light, I wore the Ring of Tamyrlin. I stood
first among the Servants, highest of the Aes Sedai, and I could summon the Nine Rods of Dominion.”
“Rand stepped forward. “I held the
loyalty and fealty of all seventeen Generals of Dawn’s Gate. Fortuona Athaem Devi Paendrag, my authority supersedes your own!”
“My authority supersedes that of
Hawkwing! If you claim rule by the name of he who conquered, then you must bow
before my prior claim. I conquered before Hawkwing, though I needed no sword to do
so. You are here on my land, Empress, at my sufferance!”
Thunder broke in the distance. Mat found
himself shaking. Light, it was just Rand. Just Rand . . . was it not?
Tuon backed away, eyes wide, her lips
parted. Her face was full of horror, as if she had just seen her own parents
executed.”
“Seems you have a bit of the Dark One’s
luck yourself,” he muttered to Rand. “I can’t believe that worked.”
“Honestly?” Rand said softly. “I can’t
either. Thank you for the good word.”
“Sure,” Mat said. “By the way, I saved
Moiraine. Chew on that as you try to decide which of the two of us is winning.”
Mat followed Tuon, and behind him rose
the laughter of the Dragon Reborn.”
ASOIAF: Who does Jon confront and who
is the Daughter of the Nine Moons?
“She had been born on
Dragonstone nine
moons after their flight,”
Since this was said of Dany I believe that the she is going to represent
the Daughter of the Nine Moons in ASOIAF.
She will have brought Meereen and Astapor to heel. She will have also made the trek up the
Mother of Mountains, with her bloodriders, which only men are allowed to set
foot and will bring the Dothraki into the fold returning at dawn. This will make her “She who comes with the dawn and The Stallion
who Mounts the World.” Anyone
who has read TWOT knows about “He who comes with the dawn.” At this point I believe that a form of
traveling will be used that will make travel from place to place extremely fast
and she will be making plans to conquer Westeros.
It will be at this point
where Jon will confront Dany and being in full possession of Azor Ahai’s
memories will confront her in a similar fashion that Rand did with Tuon/ Fortuona. The big exception will be how. Where Lews Therin didn’t conquer with the sword Azor Ahai
did or will this TWOT truth line up here also. Tyrion will clear the way for Jon and Dany to
meet and also put in a good word for Jon to Dany. Tyrion and Jon who are considered friends of
a sort will joke around with each other, about Tyrion’s missing nose and Jon’s burnt
hand, but will tread on uneven ground as the meeting between the two will be
tense. Jon will broker a peace between
Dany and Westeros locking all borders to what is already held. They will discuss their relationship to each
other and Bran may help them see the truth of who they are. I believe that they also will come to an
agreement to assist each other against the true enemy and will become
allies.
Summary:
While
you can find several books that tell a similar story of the events that unfold,
I think TWOT is a one stop shop that covers the majority of the story arcs
within ASOIAF. The biggest difference in the two are the polar opposites given the perception as who the bad guys really are. In TWOT it was obvious. In ASOIAF it seems obvious but it doesn't really add up when you examine the details.
I
see several possibilities as to the outcome of many story arcs but here I
present those of how I would have written it.
I read both books in a matter of a few months and having everything
fresh in my mind the similarities jumped off the pages. For anyone who hasn’t read either book I
would suggest that you do. The
characters come alive with both authors telling.
Comments
encouraged. Love to hear the idea’s of others. Most believe that
since I present my idea’s as “fact like” I’m not open to change my viewpoints
which is far from the truth. I simply look at the information presented
and go from there. If you can shine a light on another way of thinking
that opens the door to debate.
I have so many notes that I sometimes forget to throw in a fact or two. I don't want anyone accusing me of changing my blog as the facts become known so I will just add what I forgot through a comment.
ReplyDeleteTo show how I believe that ASOIAF is mirroring TWOT I forgot to show you that the man who took on the mantle of being father in ASOIAF also was in a fever dream when he made his big reveal. Ned after having his leg crushed by his horse was given Milk of the Poppy for pain. As he was coming out of it days later he started thinking back on how he came across Jon the same as Tam al'Thor did when he was injured by Trollocs and revealed to Rand that he wasn't his father. Ned just revealed it to those paying attention and not Jon directly.
I honestly believe that Jon is Azor Ahai. Another passage that to me sticks out as evidence in favor of this is what Lord Commander Mormont said to Jon after he had deserted during the night and brought back by his friends:
ReplyDelete“Any one of his lords bannermen commands more swords than you’ll find in all the Night’s Watch. Why do you imagine that they need your help? Are you such a mighty warrior, or do you carry a grumkin in your pocket to magic up your sword?”
I did make an error in saying that Margaery had 2 brothers. She actually has 3 among those Loras and Willis seem to match up to Elayne's brothers.
ReplyDeleteJon Snow will eventually come face to face with Gerold Dayne aka Darkstar. Darkstar will want to claim Dawn which he will feel that it rightly belongs to him as he is a great swordsman and is a member of the Dayne family. I think this fight will come about because of the fight that never was at the end of The Wheel of Time between Rand al'Thor aka Lews Therin and Demandred. Both Demandred and Darkstar are both described as handsome with hooked/aquiline noses. Where Jon will become the new "Sword of the Morning" because of his connection with Ser Arthur Dayne/The Last Hero/Azor Ahai; Darkstar is just the opposite IMO in his very words "Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night." Jon of course will win this exchange but I think it will be a good fight. I think at this time in the story Darkstar will have become somewhat of a darkfriend in TWOT speak and the COTF will have given him tools that will make him more of a match for the "Sword of the Morning."
ReplyDeleteWhere dragonmount was raised to mark the grave of Lews Therin Telamon the opposite can be said for Ser Arthur Dayne. Ned Stark had the Tower of Joy torn down to build cairns for the eight deceased.
ReplyDeleteIn TWOT; Rand was known as "He Who comes with the Dawn". Jon Snow will literally be this after he wields the sword Dawn.
ReplyDelete“For more than three thousand years the world had waited on the Prophecies of the Dragon to be fulfilled, fearing them, yet knowing they told of the world’s only hope. And now a boychild was about to be born—very soon, perhaps, by the way Gitara had spoken—to bring those Prophecies to a conclusion. He would be born on the slopes of Dragonmount, reborn where it was said the man he had once been had died.”
ReplyDeleteTo me this is the setup for the Tower of Joy. If GRRM keeps to TWOT theme then Jon will be shown to have been born at the Tower of Joy and IMO the same place that Ser Arthur Dayne dies or a blood magic type scenario where Jon becomes what he was "The Sword of the Morning". From there he can become the new Sword of the Morning and then be able to wield and be worthy to carry the sword Dawn.
This is the same as Rand, the Dragon Reborn, being born at Dragonmount; the same place that Lews Therin the original Dragon died.
It would be so cool to have Jon Snow after he is reborn as Azor Ahai use Dawn, the red sword of heroes aka Lightbringer, to cut off Ramsey's hands, feet, arms and legs while at the same time Lightbringer cauterizing the wounds before he finally beheads him ending his wicked evil reign of terror.
ReplyDeleteI have theorized for so long with no support from anyone else that Jon Snow is tied to Ser Arthur Dayne by blood magic/reincarnated soul. I theorize that since Ser Arthur Dayne was the "Sword of the Morning" and his sword Dawn which I believe to be Lightbringer is only passed down through some unknown reason to date. I believe that reason dates back to the Last Hero/Azor Ahai whom I believe was a Dayne. It has been passed IMO to the reincarnated soul theory through the ages. I believe that there also exists a family secret or question in the Dayne family line where they ask that question to the would be wielder of Dawn and if he gets it right he is given the title of the new "Sword of the Morning". I believe this is part of what may be shown at the Tower of Joy flashback scene. The question however will not be a flashback but Jon Snow being asked the question. I believe that he will know the answer as he will eventually get all of the memories of all the previous wielders back to the Last Hero.
ReplyDeleteWhy I believe that the Sword Dawn does not reside in Starfall but within the crypts of Winterfell (at least in the books). In The Wheel of Time (TWOT) the sword that is the equivalent of "Lightbringer" is called "Callandor". The lore has already been established in the TV show that the weirwood tree's face that a greenseer resides in takes on the face of that greenseer. The face on the weirwood at Winterfell looks extremely old. No one has really gone into the deep bowels of Winterfell in known history. Ned always described the weirwood as the "Heart of Winterfel". My theory states that Bran physically goes back in time and creates all the legends that we currently know. He lives out his life to put his pieces into place so that when we catch up to present events he will be ready to take on the Others/White Walkers. Callandor was also placed in a similar place where the person who believed that that man who was his father turned out not to be just like Jon Snow.
ReplyDelete“Deep within the center of the stronghold is the great vaulted chamber known as the Heart of the Stone. There, amid polished redstone columns and golden lamps, is the place where the great sa’angreal sword Callandor hung in its glittering crystal splendor until the Dragon Reborn claimed it.”
“You can’t be the Lord of Winterfell, you’re bastard-born, he heard Robb say again. And the stone kings were growling at him with granite tongues. You do not belong here. This is not your place. When Jon closed his eyes he saw the heart tree, with its pale limbs, red leaves, and solemn face. The weirwood was the heart of Winterfell, Lord Eddard always said . . . but to save the castle Jon would have to tear that heart up by its ancient roots, and feed it to the red woman’s hungry fire god. I have no right, he thought. Winterfell belongs to the old gods.”
Question asked: What was the truth about Rhaegar and Lyanna? Was the story just a rumour spread (by Littlefinger maybe)?
ReplyDeleteLyanna and Arya were kindred spirits per Ned's conversation with Arya. How do you think Arya would react if she were kidnapped and raped? Strictly me answering he would have to always keep her bound otherwise she would kill him as sure as water is wet
“Needle wouldn’t break,” Arya said defiantly, but her voice betrayed her words.
“It has a name, does it?” Her father sighed. “Ah, Arya. You have a wildness in you, child. ‘The wolf blood,’ my father used to call it. Lyanna had a touch of it, and my brother Brandon more than a touch. It brought them both to an early grave.” Arya heard sadness in his voice; he did not often speak of his father, or of the brother and sister who had died before she was born. “Lyanna might have carried a sword, if my lord father had allowed it. You remind me of her sometimes. You even look like her.”
Other evidence seems to indicate that Lyanna and Rhaegar were taken with each other:
“Under Harren’s roof he ate and drank with the wolves, and many of their sworn swords besides, barrowdown men and moose and bears and mermen. The dragon prince sang a song so sad it made the wolf maid sniffle, but when her pup brother teased her for crying she poured wine over his head.”
“But that was the tourney when he crowned Lyanna Stark as queen of love and beauty!” said Dany. “Princess Elia was there, his wife, and yet my brother gave the crown to the Stark girl, and later stole her away from her betrothed. How could he do that? Did the Dornish woman treat him so ill?”
Most people believe that Rhaegar was going to depose his father King Aerys. I think that was the furthest thing from the truth. I believe that Rhaegar was going to give up the throne for Lyanna by simply walking away.
“Prince Rhaegar shook his head. “My royal sire fears your father more than he does our cousin Robert. He wants you close, so Lord Tywin cannot harm him. I dare not take that crutch away from him at such an hour.”
Jaime’s anger had risen up in his throat. “I am not a crutch. I am a knight of the Kingsguard.”
“Then guard the king,” Ser Jon Darry snapped at him. “When you donned that cloak, you promised to obey.”
Rhaegar had put his hand on Jaime’s shoulder. “When this battle’s done I mean to call a council. Changes will be made. I meant to do it long ago, but . . . well, it does no good to speak of roads not taken. We shall talk when I return.”
I believe this to be the case because that is what the Janduin, the father of the Dragon Reborn - Jon Snow's counterpart in The Wheel of Time, did because of how he felt about Rand's mother Shaiel. Shaiel was also pregnant at a time that a war was going on and Janduin was at the center of it.
The following question was asked and this is how I answered it:
ReplyDeleteWould Robert have cheated on Lyanna like he did with Cersei?
Anyone who has read the books or seen the TV show know that the answer is unequivocally YES! Here are Lyanna’s thoughts concerning Robert and his fidelity:
“Robert will never keep to one bed,” Lyanna had told him at Winterfell, on the night long ago when their father had promised her hand to the young Lord of Storm’s End. “I hear he has gotten a child on some girl in the Vale.” Ned had held the babe in his arms; he could scarcely deny her, nor would he lie to his sister, but he had assured her that what Robert did before their betrothal was of no matter, that he was a good man and true who would love her with all his heart. Lyanna had only smiled. “Love is sweet, dearest Ned, but it cannot change a man’s nature.”
Lyanna and Rhaegar had found their true loves in each other and both were bound to others. I think Rhaegar was going to give it all up for her and walk away from being the heir to the Iron Throne: